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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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 Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: US has detained 83,000 across the globe |
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/16/D8DTOTT00.html
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The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.
Roughly 14,500 detainees remain in U.S. custody, primarily in Iraq.
The number has steadily grown since the first CIA paramilitary officers touched down in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, setting up more than 20 facilities including the "Salt Pit," an abandoned factory outside Kabul used for CIA detention and interrogation.
In Iraq, the number in military custody hit a peak on Nov. 1, according to military figures. Nearly 13,900 suspects were in U.S. custody there that day _ partly because U.S. offensives in western Iraq put pressure on insurgents before the October constitutional referendum and December parliamentary elections. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, that's an awful lot of people. Irony of ironies, but isn't that roughly 4 times the number of political prisoners that were being held in Iraq during Saddam's reign, or roughly half of the political prisoners being held in North Korea? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I think the estimated gulag population at any given time in NK is 200,000.
And just in case anybody still believes that Bush is fighting terror at some minimal level of competency, and all 83,000 of those people deserve to be detained---
This is my favorite story to emerge from Gitmo so far:
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"Adel is innocent. I don't mean he claims to be. I mean the military says so. It held a secret tribunal and ruled that he is not al Qaeda, not Taliban, not a terrorist. The whole thing was a mistake: The Pentagon paid $5,000 to a bounty hunter, and it got taken.
The military people reached this conclusion, and they wrote it down on a memo, and then they classified the memo and Adel went from the hearing room back to his prison cell. He is a prisoner today, eight months later. And these facts would still be a secret but for one thing: habeas corpus.
Only habeas corpus got Adel a chance to tell a federal judge what had happened. Only habeas corpus revealed that it wasn't just Adel who was innocent -- it was Abu Bakker and Ahmet and Ayoub and Zakerjain and Sadiq -- all Guantanamo "terrorists" whom the military has found innocent. (...)
Adel lives in a small fenced compound 8,000 miles from his home and family. The Defense Department says it is trying to arrange for a country to take him -- some country other than his native communist China, where Muslims like Adel are routinely tortured. It has been saying this for more than two years. But the rest of the world is not rushing to aid the Bush administration, and meanwhile Adel is about to pass his fourth anniversary in a U.S. prison.
He has no visitors save his lawyers. He has no news in his native language, Uighur. He cannot speak to his wife, his children, his parents. When I first met him on July 15, in a grim place they call Camp Echo, his leg was chained to the floor. I brought photographs of his children to another visit, but I had to take them away again. They were "contraband," and he was forbidden to receive them from me. (...)
The secretary of defense chained Adel, took him to Cuba, imprisoned him and sends teams of lawyers to fight any effort to get his case heard. Now the Senate has voted to lock down his only hope, the courts, and to throw away the key forever. Before they do this, I have a last request on his behalf. I make it to the 49 senators who voted for this amendment.
I'm back in Cuba today, maybe for the last time. Come down and join me. Sen. Graham, Sen. Kyl -- come meet the sleepy-eyed young man with the shy smile and the gentle manner. Afterward, as you look up at the bright stars over Cuba, remembering what you've seen in Camp Echo, see whether the word "terrorist" comes quite so readily to your lips. See whether the urge to abolish judicial review rests easy on your mind, or whether your heart begins to ache, as mine does, for the country I thought I knew." |
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2005/11/requiem.html#23more
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Adel is a Muslim (and he is CHINESE to boot), therefore he is guilty of something.
It's only right to keep him locked up until we discover what that something is.
Can I get an "Amen brother!" from Rapier and Bigverne? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Former CIA director accuses Cheney of overseeing torture
Thu Nov 17, 8:08 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - Admiral Stansfield Turner, a former CIA director, accused US Vice President Dick Cheney of overseeing policies of torturing terrorist suspects and damaging the nation's reputation, in a television interview.
"We have crossed the line into dangerous territory," Turner, who headed the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1970s, said on ITV news.
"I am embarrassed that the USA has a vice president for torture. I think it is just reprehensible. He (Mr Cheney) advocates torture, what else is it? I just don't understand how a man in that position can take such a stance."
US President George Bush and other leading members of his administration have consistently denied that detainees suspected of belonging to Al-Qaeda were tortured for information.
But his opponents and human rights campaigners have claimed that many men taken captive in Iraq and Afghanistan by US forces have been subjected to torture in order to extract information.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usiraqjusticebritain;_ylt=Aq1XqWpCcWGNPnCPuUdF_xsDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Canada probes report of CIA prisoner plane landing
By David Ljunggren
Mon Nov 21, 4:32 PM ET
OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada is investigating reports that a plane used by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency to transport prisoners for interrogation landed at a Canadian airport last week, the foreign ministry said on Monday.
The French-language La Presse newspaper said the plane had taken off from Iceland heading for St. John's in Newfoundland, on Canada's east coast. The Canadian Press said the 40-seat turboprop landed in St. John's on Friday before returning to its base in North Carolina.
"We are looking into it," said foreign ministry spokeswoman Pamela Greenwell, who declined to give further details.
The U.S. embassy in Ottawa said it had no comment. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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14 held after airport protest
Johnston tenant linked to CIA flight
Protesters accused of trespassing were arrested at Johnston County Airport near Smithfield.
Staff Photo by Pailin Wedel
Peggy Lim, Staff Writer
Fourteen people were arrested Friday in a protest at Johnston County Airport, where planes used to shuttle terrorism suspects were believed to be based.
About 60 protesters came from as far as St. Louis and Chicago to ask the county to investigate Aero Contractors, which has leased about eight acres from the small airport since 1979.
The company has been accused of housing planes used by the Central Intelligence Agency for covert flights. Those flights allegedly took suspects to countries where they could be aggressively interrogated and possibly tortured...
http://www.newsobserver.com/152/story/369059.html |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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Director: CIA does not torture
Goss calls agency's interrogation techniques 'unique'
Monday, November 21, 2005; Posted: 10:19 a.m. EST (15:19 GMT)
CIA Director Porter Goss says the agency uses "unique" interrogation techniques but does not torture.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The CIA's interrogation methods are "unique" but don't involve torture, agency chief Porter Goss says, although he won't specify just what techniques are used to extract information from prisoners.
In an interview published Monday in USA Today, Goss reiterated the Bush administration's defense of its interrogation practices in the war against terrorism.
"This agency does not do torture. Torture does not work," Goss said. "We use lawful capabilities to collect vital information and we do it in a variety of unique and innovative ways, all of which are legal and none of which are torture."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/21/cia.prisoners.ap/index.html |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:50 am Post subject: |
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How many millions of Americans are in U.S. jails?
And how many hundreds of thousands of them are in for wanting to do what they want with their own bodies (drugs or prostitution)?
Prisons are big business now, profit centres, and are corrupt to their core. But it depends on how you look at it.
Just as torture isn't "torture", "detention centres" ain't prisons, "unlawful combatants" are not prisoners, and laws aren't applicable, if you find a way to consider them as something else. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
How many millions of Americans are in U.S. jails?
And how many hundreds of thousands of them are in for wanting to do what they want with their own bodies (drugs or prostitution)?
Prisons are big business now, profit centres, and are corrupt to their core. But it depends on how you look at it.
Just as torture isn't "torture", "detention centres" ain't prisons, "unlawful combatants" are not prisoners, and laws aren't applicable, if you find a way to consider them as something else. |
Big business: absolutely. Interesting too. We all know the Bushes have invested a LOT in banking & oil, etc. etc.  
Their #1 investment? Any guesses?
Apparently it's private ( i.e. 4 profit ) PRISONS
Food for thought eh?
http://www.prisonplanet.com
Anyways, i saw this guy on CNN early in the morning a few days ago & was pretty damn impressed.
Powell aide: Torture 'guidance' from VP
Former staff chief says Cheney's 'flexibility' helped lead to abuse
Sunday, November 20, 2005; Posted: 5:18 p.m. EST (22:18 GMT)
U.S. Army Col. Larry Wilkerson said he does not know "if the president was witting in this or not."
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A former top State Department official said Sunday that Vice President Dick Cheney provided the "philosophical guidance" and "flexibility" that led to the torture of detainees in U.S. facilities
Retired U.S. Army Col. Larry Wilkerson, who served as former Secretary of State Colin Powell's chief of staff, told CNN that the practice of torture may be continuing in U.S.-run facilities.
"There's no question in my mind that we did. There's no question in my mind that we may be still doing it," Wilkerson said on CNN's "Late Edition."
"There's no question in my mind where the philosophical guidance and the flexibility in order to do so originated -- in the vice president of the United States' office," he said. "His implementer in this case was [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld and the Defense Department."
At another point in the interview, Wilkerson said "the vice president had to cover this in order for it to happen and in order for Secretary Rumsfeld to feel as though he had freedom of action."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/20/torture/ |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:43 am Post subject: |
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EU May Suspend Nations With Secret Prisons
Nov 28 8:04 AM US/Eastern
EU Justice and Home Affairs Commissioner Franco Frattini warned Monday any EU nation found to have operated secret CIA prisons could have their EU voting rights suspended.
"I would be obliged to propose to the Council (of EU Ministers) serious consequences, including the suspension of voting rights in the Council," Frattini said at a counter-terrorism conference.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/28/D8E5G0SG2.html |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:52 am Post subject: |
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Cheney under fire from ex-officials over prisoner abuse
Tue Nov 29, 2:55 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - A senior aide to former US Secretary of State Colin Powell repeated his attacks against US Vice-President Dick Cheney, appearing to suggest he should face war crimes charges.
Powell's former chief of staff Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson accused Cheney of ignoring a decision by President George W. Bush's on the treatment of prisoners held in the "war on terror".
Asked in a BBC radio interview if Bush's right-hand man could be accused of war crimes, he replied: "It's an interesting question. Certainly, it's a domestic crime to advocate terror.
"And I would suspect, for whatever it's worth, it's an international crime as well."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usiraqattackspolitics;_ylt=AiIM1e1.A2CsU9IR1poDI1dhr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Flight logs reveal hundreds of CIA flights to Europe
LONDON (AFP) - More than 300 CIA flights have landed at European airports, a British newspaper said, adding a new element to claims that Washington has been transporting terrorist suspects to secret prisons in Europe.
The Guardian daily said it had seen flight logs documenting the flights by 26 planes operated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
The information showed an "unprecedented" amount of travel by the agency but did not reveal which planes took part in alleged prison transfers, it said.
Britain quizzes US over reports of CIA jails
By Gideon Long
Wed Nov 30,10:18 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Britain said on Wednesday it had asked the United States to respond to media reports that the CIA is running secret jails in Eastern Europe and covertly flying prisoners through airports in the European Union.
Foreign Minister Jack Straw wrote to Washington on behalf of the EU on Tuesday amid growing concern in Europe about the reports. His letter raised "media allegations of CIA terror camps in Eastern Europe" as well as the question of flights, a foreign office spokeswoman said.
The Washington Post reported the existence of the jails earlier this month. U.S.-based campaign group Human Rights Watch named Poland and Romania as the most likely locations, a claim both countries deny.
The United States has neither confirmed nor denied the existence of secret jails.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/security_britain_cia_dc;_ylt=Agq4bHUs8Ex6DB3WuM8I1Hlhr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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