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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| It really offends you that people everywhere are just people, trying to get through life as best they can, doesn't it? |
Congratulations, you have won meaningless liberal platitude of the day!
So, getting through life as best you can is going to a warzone and trying to get some action in the chaos? Getting through life as best you can is blowing yourself up and taking innocent life to get those 72 virgins?
What a truly bizarre universe you inhabit. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Nasser vs. Park Chung-Hee. Hmmm... Need we say any more?
Yes, please do. I don't really know what you're driving at.
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| And Nasser was about as religous as me, so can't pin his failures on his religion either. |
A leader does not a country make, although they can have a powerful influence. What I am driving at is that leaders and elites aside, Islam plays a very powerful role in the daily lives of Arabs and other muslims. Is there something about Islam that impedes economic growth and political freedom? To be honest I haven't done much reading on the topic, but I think culture plays a large part in the economic success of countries.
Moreover, this isn't just Egypt we are talking about, it is almost every Arab country. Is this just a coincidence? Why have all of them failed so miserably? Why are all of them plagued by nepotism, corruption, despotism and economic inactivity. How does Islam effect scientific enquiry, innovation and education? Does the emphasis on religious education impair the development of inquisitive minds?
I think it would be foolish to think that such a religion, which plays such an important role in the daily lives of people, would have no effect on economic or political development. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Hot off the Chosun Ilbo presses:
No Sex Please, We're Asian
Asia's rapid economic growth and the heavy stresses associated with it are taking their toll on people��s sex-lives, a worldwide survey suggests. According to the annual global sex survey by the U.K. condom manufacturer Durex, people the world over have sex on average around twice a week or 103 times a year.
At the bottom of the list was Japan, a nation with a word for ��death from overwork,�� with 45 times per year, short of even half the global average. Singaporeans ranked second with 73 times. Nine Asian countries were among the bottom 10: India with 75 times, Indonesia with 77, Hong Kong with 78, Malaysia with 83, Vietnam with 87, Taiwan with 83, and China with 96. Sexually liberated Sweden was the only non-Asian country with 92 times a year. Korea was not included in the survey covering 41 countries and 317,000 people.
On the other hand, the Greeks were estimated to have the most vigorous sex-lives with 138 times of a year, followed by Croatians with 134 times. Serbians and Mongolians came in joint third place with 128 times, followed by France (120), Britain (118), the Netherlands and Poland (115), the U.S. (113) and Australia (108).
Relatively speaking, it sure looks like the French girls are hot to trot. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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What a truly bizarre universe you inhabit.
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Yes, I'm sure my universe seems bizarre to you.
If someone holes up in their little shoe box apartment, pulls the blanket over their head and reads all the doom and gloom newspaper articles by the light of a flashlight, of course he's going to have a grim perception of the world.
It's Friday. The weekend is almost here. The sun is shining. How can you be so negative? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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LC: Intermarriage is a terrible thing, isn't it? Mongrelization and all that. Shameful. Awful. Wouldn't want that to happen, would we? |
Dude, I'm in Korea, where I enjoy the prospects of doing just that. Get a grip. Oh, you're trying to. And only coming up with handfuls of straw.
Look, Yata, if I wanted a good prospect for my daughter, I wouldn't go looking among the riff-raff that we saw rioting in France over the last few weeks. Would you?
Anyway, I would demand that the Muslim convert to Christianity before I would even consider letting him marry my daughter. I'm sure Muslims are all cool with that. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| even consider letting him marry |
So your daughter is your property that you control. What a surprise.
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| Dude, I'm in Korea, where I enjoy the prospects of doing just that. |
Everyone is entitled to their fantasies. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| even consider letting him marry |
So your daughter is your property that you control. What a surprise.
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It's far better than your cringing, grovelling, not to mention spineless "Meet my daughter. She's hot to trot." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't MY daughter I was offering. It was yours. Too much in-breeding is not good for the species. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't MY daughter I was offering. It was yours. Too much in-breeding is not good for the species. |
I have already laid down the conditions upon which I would consider giving my blessings.
The inbreeding seems to be a problem among the immigrant Muslim population in Britain. (It's on another thread.) And that's their problem, not ours. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I was refering to the in-breeding that has gone on a little closer to your home. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I was refering to the in-breeding that has gone on a little closer to your home. |
Dude, you're truly a joke.
First, you believe hiding behind your daughter's skirt will soothe the riotious scum.
Second, when called on it you offer up another's daughter, and then propose it as some sort of counter to inbreeding.
Third, when shown where true inbreeding is actually occuring, you resort to your typical playground taunts.
Good day. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Nasser vs. Park Chung-Hee. Hmmm... Need we say any more?
Yes, please do. I don't really know what you're driving at.
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| And Nasser was about as religous as me, so can't pin his failures on his religion either. |
A leader does not a country make, although they can have a powerful influence. What I am driving at is that leaders and elites aside, Islam plays a very powerful role in the daily lives of Arabs and other muslims. Is there something about Islam that impedes economic growth and political freedom? To be honest I haven't done much reading on the topic, but I think culture plays a large part in the economic success of countries.
Moreover, this isn't just Egypt we are talking about, it is almost every Arab country. Is this just a coincidence? Why have all of them failed so miserably? Why are all of them plagued by nepotism, corruption, despotism and economic inactivity. How does Islam effect scientific enquiry, innovation and education? Does the emphasis on religious education impair the development of inquisitive minds?
I think it would be foolish to think that such a religion, which plays such an important role in the daily lives of people, would have no effect on economic or political development. |
Big verne, economic failure, unfortunately, has been the rule, not the exception. If the arab world was unique in failed economies, you would have a point. Fact of the matter is the developed world is a rather small % of countries out there. Even if you include developing countries that are steadily working their way up to becoming the next Japan or South Korea, the number is still not very high.
Sure culture has some part in it. But I'll tell you this much: Islam does not discourage business nor capitalism. Islam does not breed corruption (in fact it's forbidden I'd wager). If the gov'ts of the Muslim world were true Muslims, that would be one problem that would be eliminated. That is why groups like Hamas are so popular: not because of their religous principles but because they are considered uncorrupt and not greedy. Now is that reality? That's a whole other debate and not relevant at this point in time since they are not in power (yet). |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| If someone holes up in their little shoe box apartment, pulls the blanket over their head and reads all the doom and gloom newspaper articles by the light of a flashlight, of course he's going to have a grim perception of the world. |
Don't live in a shoe box apartment mate. I am just amazed that someone can read an article on youths going to warzones to get some action or the prized 72 virgins and turn around and say ' hey, they're not so different from us'.
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| It's Friday. The weekend is almost here. The sun is shining. How can you be so negative? |
Disagreeing with your inane ramblings is not negativity. But, you're right, it is Friday. Maybe I'll meet a girl like your daughter down the pub tonight. Although I'm not muslim, so I hope that won't be a problem. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| f the arab world was unique in failed economies, you would have a point. Fact of the matter is the developed world is a rather small % of countries out there. |
However, with the growth of China, India and other SE Asian nations the failure of the Arab world looks even more pathetic. And they may have missed their big chance. Once oil revenues start to fall, what exactly will they have to offer the world? The future does not look bright for such countries. |
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