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Chemical weapons used in Iraq - by the U S of A
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dulouz

Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:07 am Post subject:

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First, caramelization can be used to refer to melting that does not actually involve caramel.

No, you are wrong and this interpretation intentionally obfuscates. I'm certain there a term from accepted pathology practices that would be much more descriptive. Caramelization means turning something into yummy gooey candy. You just did a really bad job at providing evidence.

Dorland's is the most trusted and established medical dictionary. According to them, caramelization = No results found!
http://www.dorlands.com/wsearch.jsp

Caramelization isn't a recognized pathological term so the description means nothing.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:17 am Post subject:

dulouz wrote:

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First, caramelization can be used to refer to melting that does not actually involve caramel.

You're apparently fairly unable to think outside definitions provided to you, but you do make me laugh. Laughing

Now look, caramelization occurs with the burning of sugars, yes? There are sugars in the body, yes? What happens when they are burned at high temps? Also, I imagine the use of caramelized could have been descriptive as opposed to the absolute and literal use you are trying to stick to. I don't remember the phrasing.

Ah! And here's a use of caramelization with regard to cooking untreated meat. IOW, no more sugars than would naturally occur. Now, don't you feel silly?

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I continue to cook the beef on the flat sides, salting first, about 10 minutes on each side. I do not use very high heat, because you get good caramelization in that amount of time. I'm not interested in carbonizing the surface of the meat. To me that ruins the flavor. You must also take care not to pierce the meat, or it will be less juicy. Turn it with tongs or two spoons.

http://k4a4.com//02.htm#05

rapier

Joined: 16 Feb 2003

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:01 am Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

And let me add, I've not read or heard of a single account of human shields in the case of Falluja.

"insurgents in the city are using Iraqi civilians as human shields and are firing weapons at US forces from inside schools, mosques, and hospitals"
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/fallujah.htm

According to residents, terrorist plan to use citizens as human shields, then claim they were attacked by friendly forces.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Nov2004/n11082004_2004110805.html

the insurgents placed patients and hospital staff in the hallways, and held some as they fled, to prevent the marines from firing
http://www.christianiraq.com/news/2005/05/13/iraq-insurgents-use-hospital-patients-as-human-shields-children-as-spies-says-us-military/

its common practise by mulims fighters in all areas of conflict, not just fallujah. No good muslim can complain when they are called upon to sacrifice themselves for Allah.
To some extent the U.S response in fallujah seems to have set a precedent- "We will kill you wether or not you are hiding behind civilians". Maybe it'll go some way to halting the practise.

dulouz

Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:

I can't help you. Good bye.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:15 am Post subject:

rapier wrote:

EFLtrainer wrote:

And let me add, I've not read or heard of a single account of human shields in the case of Falluja.

Well and good. Thanks for the info.

Bulsajo

Joined: 16 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:32 am Post subject:

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Thats wholly BS. Caramelization means turning something into gooey caramel candy.

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First, caramelization can be used to refer to melting that does not actually involve caramel. Rolling Eyes

This is correct, as any chef or cook can tell you.
It's a process, not a description of a candy.
To heat or burn until browned or (partially) liquified.
For example you can caramelize onions. Garlic too, and ginger.
The idea of caramelizing living human flesh is particularly repugnant but it's probably an accurate description of the effects of weapons like napalm, FAEs, and WP.

But yes, it may very well not be an accepted medical term to describe the process by which such burns/wounds are created.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:

I think we have an answer to the "burning question" of whether WP is a chemical weapon or not ... (sorry for the bad pun)

US intelligence classified white phosphorus as 'chemical weapon'

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[b]Sigfrido Ranucci, who made the documentary for the RAI television channel aired two weeks ago, said that a US intelligence assessment had characterised WP after the first Gulf War as a "chemical weapon".

The assessment was published in a declassified report on the American Department of Defence website. The file was headed: "Possible use of phosphorous chemical weapons by Iraq in Kurdish areas along the Iraqi-Turkish-Iranian borders."

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