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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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GwangjuBoy~
To know more about it, just go to the immigration website to get the lowdown on the whole deal.
PPB~ that f'ing sux!
------On another note, is there a mass group going to the Mok-dong office either this week or next week?
Why don't we make it a day trip, go there to hand in our stuff and then go for some lunch or something?
What do you say??~? |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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If you are in Seoul, you can call
02-2650-6308 |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:42 am Post subject: |
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The more I think about what some people have said when they say "Oh! Immigrations won't act on it..."
I remember the article written up about David Kang right after he got arrested and they said that they are going to verify each degree upon renewal in march. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:21 am Post subject: |
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I just did it today. Only I went to Suwon Immigration. And they never asked for even my ARC. I walked up to the desk, handed in the confirmation paper, they said "OK"...and that was that.
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Francis-Pax
Joined: 20 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: |
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This is nothing new but I do need to share my thoughts on this matter.
I think that this process makes no sense. I submitted officially sealed transcripts, the actual BA degree certificate, a signed letter from my the school registrar stating that I am the same person as the name stated on the degree, a signed letter from the US Embassy notarizing my degree certificate, and my passport. I practically exhausted the possible sources of authenticating my credentials.
To ask me to go to the immigration office to sign an amateur looking document that makes me swear that I have the credentials I say I have does not accomplish anything. I have already done that de facto by handing them my documents.
Spoting fake credentials seems very simple to me.
There must be a better way. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: |
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It would be for the school's to do the background check on the teachers they hire. This way the school would be responsible if anything happens during the process.
The problem is that Hakwons are strictly business entities that are open for the sole purpose of making money and to do that, they would do anything to stay open, including the employment of illegally documented foreigners.
To them, anyone with a white face can be put into a classroom to teach English (or just say "hi" to the students like a superstar)
So because of that, the government is stepping in for the good interest of the public.
But what gets most of us is that this process is mostly affecting those with E2s, what about the F-holders, or the A-holders or whatnot but are still teaching in the country when they are not suppose to?
If they want to make the process fair, they need to go after everyone employed in the school system.
The argument then goes back to say that even if they do get all the illegals out of the school system, there are still so many people in the system or floating under the radar that will never get caught because there are large loopholes in the system that allows for this to happen because it could net alot of prominent Koreans too.
So how does this help solve a "social issue" that ESL teaching has become? |
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Francis-Pax
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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It would be for the school's to do the background check on the teachers they hire. This way the school would be responsible if anything happens during the process.
The problem is that Hakwons are strictly business entities that are open for the sole purpose of making money and to do that, they would do anything to stay open, including the employment of illegally documented foreigners.
To them, anyone with a white face can be put into a classroom to teach English (or just say "hi" to the students like a superstar)
So because of that, the government is stepping in for the good interest of the public.
But what gets most of us is that this process is mostly affecting those with E2s, what about the F-holders, or the A-holders or whatnot but are still teaching in the country when they are not suppose to?
If they want to make the process fair, they need to go after everyone employed in the school system.
The argument then goes back to say that even if they do get all the illegals out of the school system, there are still so many people in the system or floating under the radar that will never get caught because there are large loopholes in the system that allows for this to happen because it could net alot of prominent Koreans too.
So how does this help solve a "social issue" that ESL teaching has become? |
You missed my point. I am not going to restate it. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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Francis~
I got the point, I am in almost the same boat as you in that I had my degree verified 3 times since I have come to Korea in 2000 to teach.
1. I got the same degree verification form in 2000 when I applied for my first ARC.
2. In 2002, I had to go to the SMOE to register as a teacher, the same place Tiger Beer mentioned before in his thread.
3. My college also did a check on my degree and sent the confirmation affidavid with my application for my latest ARC in 2005.
It seems that every 2 to 3 years, I am going through the same hassle to prove something that should be already on file. But I know it isn't because immigration doesn't keep permanent files on people coming into and out of Korea, which is both time consuming and dangerous.
Like you, I feel the process is a waste of our time and I know they will hit so many roadblocks trying to verify each and every degree (as seen in MASH's post regarding his university's disclosure policy). |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I have still heard nothing about this. Does it only apply to those working in Seoul? Has anyone working outside Seoul, and under the jursidiction of immigration offices outside Seoul had to do this yet? |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I have still heard nothing about this. Does it only apply to those working in Seoul? Has anyone working outside Seoul, and under the jursidiction of immigration offices outside Seoul had to do this yet? |
Everyone at my uni had to do it- in daegu. A friend at another uni in another city had to, also. I think it is all of us. |
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The fact that they saw nothing wrong of sending us a form that appears to have been drafted by a middle-school student is a strong indication of the reasons why they haven't thought of a better way to do things. It's simply a bandaid solution meant to appease public opinion. Sure, most of us probably did provide more than enough proof that we do hold valid degrees when we got out visas. But, it's fare easier (ie. politically convenient) for the government to point the finger at the foreigners than to investigate incompetance and corruption within the immigration bureau. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Just got back from Immigration. Filed this paper with another teacher today. The lady at immigration told our wonjangnim that they didn't need the address and phone number of our University. Just the address and phone number of our school here in Korea. I asked why would we need this form then, are you sure. She checked on the internet and then said, oh yeah, I guess we need the address and phone number of your University.
Amazing!
Time to teach now. Here come the kiddies. |
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Lizara
Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: Seoul
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They didn't ask for either the address of my school or that of my university. They wanted some contact info which I didn't have on me, so the guy did a search and came up with www.dal.ca and wrote that on my form. um, okay. Also he did ask for my degree but then just passed it back to me. It was all very strange and a complete waste of time.
Edit: oh yeah, and I didn't get any notification at all through my school (which is practically in Immigration's backyard, being pretty close to Mokdong.) I just went in hoping they'd have the papers there, which they did, so I could get it over with. |
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| I have still heard nothing about this. Does it only apply to those working in Seoul? Has anyone working outside Seoul, and under the jursidiction of immigration offices outside Seoul had to do this yet? |
I'm in Busan and had the form supplied to me by my hakwon a week or two ago.
Earlier this afternoon I ran it down to the Busan Immigration office.
They had a stack of what must have been four or five hundred of the forms already filled out and submitted.
In addition, they produced a monster checklist of what must have been thousands of teachers in the Busan area. Are there really so many of us?
A completely perfunctory affair: The official simply glanced at my form, asked for my ARC, glanced at that before handing it back, then looked up my name in the monster list, highlighted it in yellow, and put a date stamp in the margin.
With so many people involved, I'm surprised that this isn't a huge issue here on the forums. My best guess as to why is that most teachers are simply thinking, "Ho hum, whatever."
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Hollywoodaction
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| I have still heard nothing about this. Does it only apply to those working in Seoul? Has anyone working outside Seoul, and under the jursidiction of immigration offices outside Seoul had to do this yet? |
I'm in Busan and had the form supplied to me by my hakwon a week or two ago.
Earlier this afternoon I ran it down to the Busan Immigration office.
They had a stack of what must have been four or five hundred of the forms already filled out and submitted.
In addition, they produced a monster checklist of what must have been thousands of teachers in the Busan area. Are there really so many of us?
A completely perfunctory affair: The official simply glanced at my form, asked for my ARC, glanced at that before handing it back, then looked up my name in the monster list, highlighted it in yellow, and put a date stamp in the margin.
With so many people involved, I'm surprised that this isn't a huge issue here on the forums. My best guess as to why is that most teachers are simply thinking, "Ho hum, whatever."
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You mean that the whole thing is a charade? No!!!! I'm shocked. |
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