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thursdays child
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| I think I say that? But when I think about saying that I here a posh English accent in my head. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| For your English to pass muster you must use must. |
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cypher
Joined: 08 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
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"I've gotta go home." very casual and friendly
"I've got to go home." stronger, still casual |
RE this: "got to" should always be pronounced "gotta", unless stress is on the word "got": "I've got to go home." This would only occur if the speaker is stressing the necessity, rather than the destination. Perhaps the listener has requested that the speaker not go home, and this is a reply.
I think we should always correct our students when they say "want to" or "got to" instead of the correct "wanna" or "gotta". |
I "must"  disagree. Well, sort of...or should I write sorta. More than a few times I've had kids ask how to spell "gonna" or write "wanna" in their homework. I'd rather them say "got to" and "want to", and sound a bit posh, than think there is a word "gotta". |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| cypher wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
"I've gotta go home." very casual and friendly
"I've got to go home." stronger, still casual |
RE this: "got to" should always be pronounced "gotta", unless stress is on the word "got": "I've got to go home." This would only occur if the speaker is stressing the necessity, rather than the destination. Perhaps the listener has requested that the speaker not go home, and this is a reply.
I think we should always correct our students when they say "want to" or "got to" instead of the correct "wanna" or "gotta". |
I "must" disagree. Well, sort of...or should I write sorta. More than a few times I've had kids ask how to spell "gonna" or write "wanna" in their homework. I'd rather them say "got to" and "want to", and sound a bit posh, than think there is a word "gotta". |
They don't sound "posh", they sound like they're putting stress on the "got" or the "want", and they will confuse listeners when they go abroad if they go abroad. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| cypher wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
"I've gotta go home." very casual and friendly
"I've got to go home." stronger, still casual |
RE this: "got to" should always be pronounced "gotta", unless stress is on the word "got": "I've got to go home." This would only occur if the speaker is stressing the necessity, rather than the destination. Perhaps the listener has requested that the speaker not go home, and this is a reply.
I think we should always correct our students when they say "want to" or "got to" instead of the correct "wanna" or "gotta". |
I "must" disagree. Well, sort of...or should I write sorta. More than a few times I've had kids ask how to spell "gonna" or write "wanna" in their homework. I'd rather them say "got to" and "want to", and sound a bit posh, than think there is a word "gotta". |
They don't sound "posh", they sound like they're putting stress on the "got" or the "want", and they will confuse listeners when they go abroad if they go abroad. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| A lot of students use must incorrectly because they don't know what it means and they don't give it the right amount of stress. Until they get to higher levels they're a lot safer with 'have to' I should say. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| More than a few times I've had kids ask how to spell "gonna" or write "wanna" in their homework. I'd rather them say "got to" and "want to", and sound a bit posh, than think there is a word "gotta". |
I think you should forbid them to write 'gonna' or 'wanna'. Those are not words. They are how 'going to' and 'want to' sound when spoken quickly by some people. Writing is more formal than speaking.
I'm not the grammar police, but I do think beginners should not be encouraged to use slangy expressions. Leave that for the much more advanced students who have mastered the basics. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
"I've gotta go home." very casual and friendly
"I've got to go home." stronger, still casual |
RE this: "got to" should always be pronounced "gotta", unless stress is on the word "got": "I've got to go home." This would only occur if the speaker is stressing the necessity, rather than the destination. Perhaps the listener has requested that the speaker not go home, and this is a reply.
I think we should always correct our students when they say "want to" or "got to" instead of the correct "wanna" or "gotta". |
I hope to God this is a joke. Sarcasm, maybe? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| More than a few times I've had kids ask how to spell "gonna" or write "wanna" in their homework. I'd rather them say "got to" and "want to", and sound a bit posh, than think there is a word "gotta". |
I think you should forbid them to write 'gonna' or 'wanna'. Those are not words. They are how 'going to' and 'want to' sound when spoken quickly by some people. Writing is more formal than speaking.
I'm not the grammar police, but I do think beginners should not be encouraged to use slangy expressions. Leave that for the much more advanced students who have mastered the basics. |
You are correct, or so say I. This is NOT an issue of slang, but of pronunciation/enunciation. There are people the world over who correctly pronounce "got to" and "want to." To claim this is incorrect is absurd. The pronunciations espoused by Joe are informal/informal polite speech, which is fine. But in TEACHING, they are nothing more than variants in colloquial pronunciation and SHOULD NOT be taught as the "proper" way to pronounce English. It should, in fact, be the other way around: teach the correct pronunciation then teach the colloquial manner of speech so their ears are somewhat attuned to daily speech.
Aigoo...
Joe, dude, I've got a trainee spot open for ya.    |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:26 am Post subject: |
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If you got elem kids in the avg hag who can say that,
they must be above avg hag kids. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really gonna hafta wanna tryta gitcher suggestions straight.
So whatcha gonna do? Gotta luv English. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
"I've gotta go home." very casual and friendly
"I've got to go home." stronger, still casual |
RE this: "got to" should always be pronounced "gotta", unless stress is on the word "got": "I've got to go home." This would only occur if the speaker is stressing the necessity, rather than the destination. Perhaps the listener has requested that the speaker not go home, and this is a reply.
I think we should always correct our students when they say "want to" or "got to" instead of the correct "wanna" or "gotta". |
I hope to God this is a joke. Sarcasm, maybe? |
I was hoping the same thing. |
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UncleAlex
Joined: 04 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: Must! |
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As English teachers - and native English speakers - we must know when to
use must, mustn't we?  |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| As an English teacher here might say "Somebody must of said that" |
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ladyandthetramp
Joined: 21 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Ah! The difference between "book English" and "real English"! Sure, "must" is better grammar in some situations, but most people REALLY say "I've gotta go home" or "I have to go home" or I've gotta be getting home" or "I gotta go home". Teach the "book English" first, then give them the alternatives. If they're at a high enough level, explain that some things are "more correct" when written, and other things are "more correct" when spoken. |
Agreed. Ajuma tends to be right on these issues (that is, I tend to agree with her  ) |
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