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Tiger Beer
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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While it's a good call for a discussion thread & one that also recently just caught my eye, personally i woulda framed the poll question SHOULD BE or should NOT be banned ...
Too late now i guess.
Oh yah, here's a thought. Couldn't 50 cents' lyrics be construed as constituting "HATE" speech? Since i've never really sat down & listened to the guy, i only have the vaguest impression via popular media etc.
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Should or shouldn't would make a better conversation topic.
Generally, he shouldn't be banned.. but Canada did it to Howard Stern and probably a few others who are known to have potty-mouths.
So a coin toss. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Wasn't Stern banned by the FCC? I know he's on satellite radio now. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Wasn't Stern banned by the FCC? I know he's on satellite radio now. |
I think he was massively fined by the FCC, and a lot of the fine had to be paid by his corporate sponsor/employer. The suits (I think, have to go google it to refresh my memory) told him to please put on this leash or go find another office to work in, and (again, I think) he told them he figured he could make more money going freelance ... dunno if that worked out for him, in fact. Haven't much about him or from him since that episode.
Anyway, I think (damn, too hard a day at work to google this, can't be sure) Canada told him they didn't want him to go there and I think (not sure) he didn't much care for Canadian food, anyway ...
Actually, most of this is talking outta my hat. Like I said, way to tired to look it up, and I never considered Stern to be a big free speech issue in the bigger picture of things, so if someone else who has a better memory and wants to research it, be my guest, and I'll nod and smile my thanks at you. ... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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Will he be banned? Good question.
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Junior Foreign Minister Dan McTeague said the rapper's message was inappropriate at a time when Toronto, Canada's largest city, was experiencing a surge in shooting deaths.
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McTeague is a social conservative, somewhat out-of-step with the rest of the Liberal Party on "lifestyle issues". The Liberals, overall, like to portray themselves as the party of youth, tolerance, and social inclusion. So I can't see them being in any hurry to ban an African-American hip-hop artist.
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"I do want the laws of Canada to apply to anybody who is a criminal, an admitted criminal, as Mr Curtis Jackson -- known as 50 Cent -- is. Under our laws ... he would be deemed criminally inadmissible," he told CBC television.
Canadian law dictates that anyone with a criminal record needs a special permit from the office of Immigration Minister Joe Volpe to enter the country. McTeague has written to Volpe urging him not to grant the permit.
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With Mcteague playing the "letter of the law" card, I could see the government refusing a permit, and if someone accuses them of acting like Tipper Gore just saying "Look, the law's the law, nothing we can do about it". For good measure, they might try to spin this as a nationalist issue, keeping Canada safe from "American gun culture" and all that jazz.
Just as an observation, if McTeague thinks that banning 50 Cent is gonna have the slightest impact on gun deaths in Toronto, he's seriously out to lunch. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Generally, he shouldn't be banned.. but Canada did it to Howard Stern and probably a few others who are known to have potty-mouths.
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Unless I'm mistaken, Howard Stern the man has never been banned from entering Canada. There was a push to get the CRTC to ban his show, can't recall what the end result was. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Generally, he shouldn't be banned.. but Canada did it to Howard Stern and probably a few others who are known to have potty-mouths.
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There was a push to get the CRTC to ban his show. |
Yowzah. I was wrong. It IS (or was) a free speech issue. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
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Generally, he shouldn't be banned.. but Canada did it to Howard Stern and probably a few others who are known to have potty-mouths.
There was a push to get the CRTC to ban his show.
Yowzah. I was wrong. It IS (or was) a free speech issue.
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Of course, when you're talking about public ariwaves, the whole issue of free-speech gets rather complicated. Radio and TV stations don't have quite the same degree of liberty as do publishers.
For example, and another Canadian can correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me that a radio station just can't play any format it wants. There are a limited number of broadcasting licences, and in order to get one you have to present your proposed format to the CRTC, which usually ends up deciding between competing applicants. So, if you want to get a license to play country, you might be up against someone who wants a licence for world beat, and only one of you can get it.
I also seem to recall from the early 80s, one radio station in my hometown started playing a hard rock format that was almost identical to another station's hard rock format, and the latter took the former to the CRTC to get them to stop. The CRTC sided with the original hard rock station, and the erstwhile imitator switched to playing soft rock.
I don't think that the famous scene on WKRP, where Johnny Fever switches from elevator music to hard rock on a whim in the middle of a broadcast, could really happen. At least not in Canada. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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He should not be 'banned'.
Canada should at least attempt to behave like a free country and respect his freedom of speech.
Besides, if you just ban an appearance by him, and not his CD's and the movie he was recently in you will accomplish nothing but moral grandstanding. I suspect that his popularity would also rise if this were to happen.
Even if we don't like what someone has to say (even if it is a total tool like "50cent") we don't have the right to silence him.
Don't Liberal Party flunkies have anything better to do with their time? Surely there some money left to squander. |
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Bob O.
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| if McTeague thinks that banning 50 Cent is gonna have the slightest impact on gun deaths in Toronto, he's seriously out to lunch. |
Couldn't agree more. Seriously, what is this guy thinking, "Gee, I don't want this guy coming into Canada spreading his violent message, so I'll go and make a national news story about it."?
Seriously, if Fiddy were to come play a concert, the only people hearing his 'message' would be his fans who are willing to buck$-up to see him... Now his 'message' has gone and made headlines nation-wide. What an idiot!
Of course he shouldn't be banned. Nor, do I think he will be. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Of course he shouldn't be banned. Nor, do I think he will be. |
In fairness, it should be pointed out that he is already banned, by virtue of his having a criminal record.
If the government decides to refuse an exemption on the grounds that there's nothing compelling about his case, lots of people are denied exemptions all the time, why should he get special treatment, etc. then that's fine by me.
But yeah, McTeague's attempt to spin it as an issue of violence prevention is lame. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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McTeague's attempt to spin it as an issue of violence prevention is lame.
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Is there any possibility this isn't really about 50 Cents' lyrics but about using his notoriety as a tool to get publicity for McTeague? |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Even though he and his music is crap, I'm against banning him-too bad he didn'tt take 10 bullets instead of nine |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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He should not be 'banned'.
Canada should at least attempt to behave like a free country and respect his freedom of speech.
Besides, if you just ban an appearance by him, and not his CD's and the movie he was recently in you will accomplish nothing but moral grandstanding. I suspect that his popularity would also rise if this were to happen.
Even if we don't like what someone has to say (even if it is a total tool like "50cent") we don't have the right to silence him.
Don't Liberal Party flunkies have anything better to do with their time? Surely there some money left to squander. |
Did you listen to his lyrics? |
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