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Blair Talked Bush Out of Bombing Al-Jazeera
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I remember the explanations for the bombing in Beijing. I didn't say it was caused by faulty guidance of ordnance, and didn't mean to imply it either. My point was- regardless of what caused the error- was it really a 'mistake' (and thereby possibly a similar event to the bombing of Al-Jazeera offices)? Lots of reasons to see how the fallout would go on such an incident, certainly pre-9/11 the US and China had started 'probing' each other... if you wanted be all devious about it, which- in this thread- we are, right? But I have no reason to believe it was anything other than what the official explanation said it was.
I'm just saying is all....
Especially if these latest allegations turn out to have merit (although I still say the idea of the US contemplating bombing anything in Qatar just seems to be beyond absurd, Iraq and Afghanistan are other stories).

My point about the laser guided arrsenal and other assorted hi-tech instruments of warfare is that you can't on the one hand say "look we have great weapons, we can fight wars with minimum casualties to ourselves and minimum collateral damage to civilians and infrastructure" in order to get everyone (public, allies) on board, and then say "oops, we bombed (for example) Al-jazeera's offices by mistake or because they just happened to be next to legitimate targets and they received collateral damage" when the shite hits the fan, without a lot of people saying, WTF?!?
The double-edged sword is one of perception, of trying to 'sell' 2 apparently conflicting perspectives. It's a poor 'marketing' strategy.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still say the idea of the US contemplating bombing anything in Qatar just seems to be beyond absurd, Iraq and Afghanistan are other stories


Even if Bush were serious, I don't think the US, as in the US government, would go along with any plan to launch an unprovoked attack on an ally. SOMEBODY, be it Blair, Rumsfeld, Laura, Jenna, whomever, would've explained to him in no uncertain terms why that's a stupid idea.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand wrote:
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I still say the idea of the US contemplating bombing anything in Qatar just seems to be beyond absurd, Iraq and Afghanistan are other stories


Even if Bush were serious, I don't think the US, as in the US government, would go along with any plan to launch an unprovoked attack on an ally. SOMEBODY, be it Blair, Rumsfeld, Laura, Jenna, whomever, would've explained to him in no uncertain terms why that's a stupid idea.


Yeah I don't understand how Bush would think it could bomb a TV station in an allied nation and get away with it. Something about this story just doesn't seem right.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lawmaker Urges Release of Bombing Document
Fri Nov 25, 2:36 PM ET

LONDON - A lawmaker said Friday he had filed a parliamentary motion urging Prime Minister Tony Blair to publish a leaked document that allegedly suggests President Bush wanted to bomb the headquarters of Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera.

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( N.B. Isn't allegedly redundant? i.e. To allege IS to suggest )

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Earlier this week, Attorney General Lord Goldsmith warned editors they could face prosecution under the Official Secrets Act for disclosing the contents of a document that has been described as a transcript of discussions between Bush and Blair.

Labour Party backbencher Peter Kilfoyle filed a motion calling for publication of the document, which was leaked to the Daily Mirror newspaper. Civil servant David Keogh and Leo O'Connor, who formerly worked for a British lawmaker, have been charged with violating the Official Secrets Act.

"I would hope we can have a fair and full discussion of the very important issues that were discussed at that meeting," Kilfoyle, a former defense minister, told British Broadcasting Corp. radio.

"The information is out there in the public domain and it seems ludicrous that the media can't discuss it in its entirety," he added.

Kilfoyle's motion has little chance of success.
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hypnotist



Joined: 04 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:

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( N.B. Isn't allegedly redundant? i.e. To allege IS to suggest )

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It has been alleged [by the press] that the document suggests that... etc. So no, it's not redundant.
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