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Pyongshin Sangja
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 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Well, I say it all the time. It rhymes with aiiieee shipal.
"Shall I pick you up at seven?"
It's useful. It's should, but in the future. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
Well, I say it all the time. It rhymes with aiiieee shipal.
"Shall I pick you up at seven?"
It's useful. It's should, but in the future. |
I do use it like that, but only with a fake (and probably poor) British accent. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| We also don't say "hasn't" or "haven't" to mean not possess. Americans say "I don't have money" or "I haven't gone to the bank." I think the Brits sometimes say "I haven't money..." at least my students say that, and I don't know if they're incorrect to do so. |
Very rare. If you went back 30 years you might hear posh people saying something like 'I haven't any money' but it's no good confusing students by telling them that.
In other words, your students are saying it wrong. I reckon the reason is either they haven't yet got the hang of forming negatives with 'do' or they're confused because they've seen 'haven't' used with the present perfect as a helping (a.k.a. auxiliary) verb.
'Have you been to Japan?' - 'No, I haven't.'
'Did you go to Japan last year?' - 'No, I didn't.'
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Not in my part of the Midwest. I'd say 'shall' rhymes with 'Al' Gore. If it weren't for the 'shalt nots', I think we'd have lost this word by now. |
'Shall' rhymes with 'Al' everywhere I think - unless you're a Kiwi perhaps.
So, just out of curiosity, do Americans never say things like 'What shall we do next?'. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| So, just out of curiosity, do Americans never say things like 'What shall we do next?'. |
Not often. We could use "should" instead of "shall", or just say "What do you want to [wanna] do next?" |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fascinating - so is there a difference in usage of "should" and "ought to"? |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| Fascinating - so is there a difference in usage of "should" and "ought to"? |
I can't think of any, except that "ought to" only sounds good in the present tense positive statements. For questions, "You oughtn't","Oughtn't you... ?", and "Oughtn't you have... ?" are probably correct, but sound bizarre to me. |
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