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Francis-Pax



Joined: 20 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not pay for anything related to my school. All teaching materials should be purchased by the school. In my opinion, the teacher has no obligation to provide teaching and learning materials for the school or its students. If a teacher decides to purchase something out of their own pocket, it's purely an act of charity, not duty.
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capebretoncanadian



Joined: 20 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Francis-Pax wrote:
I do not pay for anything related to my school. All teaching materials should be purchased by the school. In my opinion, the teacher has no obligation to provide teaching and learning materials for the school or its students. If a teacher decides to purchase something out of their own pocket, it's purely an act of charity, not duty.



in full agreement.............IMO it's wrong for a school to force or suggest that teachers buy resources for classes........who's profiting??........not the teacher, the teacher makes the same salary...while the Hagwon benefits....only private classes warrant any investment in teaching resources....and even still parents should be expected to foot the bills for any textbooks purchased........candies and treats are cool, I don't even consider them an expense as my children are very good at returning the favor, probably to a greater extent than myself
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

capebretoncanadian wrote:
Francis-Pax wrote:
I do not pay for anything related to my school. All teaching materials should be purchased by the school. In my opinion, the teacher has no obligation to provide teaching and learning materials for the school or its students. If a teacher decides to purchase something out of their own pocket, it's purely an act of charity, not duty.



in full agreement.............IMO it's wrong for a school to force or suggest that teachers buy resources for classes........who's profiting??........not the teacher, the teacher makes the same salary...while the Hagwon benefits....only private classes warrant any investment in teaching resources....and even still parents should be expected to foot the bills for any textbooks purchased........candies and treats are cool, I don't even consider them an expense as my children are very good at returning the favor, probably to a greater extent than myself


Your students benefit!!! That's why. I make 2.2 as a minimum - I can't afford to get a few comic books and teen magazines for students who don't have any English reading material and are keen to learn? As for hogwans, they do not necessarily benefit. At my old hogwan, purchasing my own material and bringing it in was a problem because 'the parents might wonder why you aren't using our [crap] books'. Bring in some good material and perhaps you could make the hogwan's look like crap.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
capebretoncanadian wrote:
Francis-Pax wrote:
I do not pay for anything related to my school. All teaching materials should be purchased by the school. In my opinion, the teacher has no obligation to provide teaching and learning materials for the school or its students. If a teacher decides to purchase something out of their own pocket, it's purely an act of charity, not duty.



in full agreement.............IMO it's wrong for a school to force or suggest that teachers buy resources for classes........who's profiting??........not the teacher, the teacher makes the same salary...while the Hagwon benefits....only private classes warrant any investment in teaching resources....and even still parents should be expected to foot the bills for any textbooks purchased........candies and treats are cool, I don't even consider them an expense as my children are very good at returning the favor, probably to a greater extent than myself


Your students benefit!!! That's why. I make 2.2 as a minimum - I can't afford to get a few comic books and teen magazines for students who don't have any English reading material and are keen to learn? As for hogwans, they do not necessarily benefit. At my old hogwan, purchasing my own material and bringing it in was a problem because 'the parents might wonder why you aren't using our [crap] books'. Bring in some good material and perhaps you could make the hogwan's look like crap.


Students are, in a sense, your clients. Doesn't hurt to sometimes reward good clients.

Now let's look at this theoretically: you can teach a room full of savage kids. Great, you've not spent a dime of your own money. And you sure have worked to earn that money. Or you could teach a room full of appreciative kids. What's that worth to you?

That's the theory. The reality is the vast majority of kids I sometimes reward just don't give a crap. Sadly, they have no grasp of the old "I get cookies and batman comic books because I'm a good student. If this guy wasn't here, it could be far, far worse."

The best argument is probably a) well, they're children and seeing joy on a reasonably well behaved kids face is reward enough b) it's a change of pace and I'm willing to part with 20,000 won a month for something a little different.
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To Qinella:

Man your avatar should have a warning on it. " The lights and movement can cause seizures." It is blinding.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Students are, in a sense, your clients. Doesn't hurt to sometimes reward good clients.

Now let's look at this theoretically: you can teach a room full of savage kids. Great, you've not spent a dime of your own money. And you sure have worked to earn that money. Or you could teach a room full of appreciative kids. What's that worth to you?


Laughing They are not your clients...you are their trained white monkey there to amuse them...instead of them throwing peanuts you to...you throw them candy.

They are the clients of the school, its just too bad that some places cant see how far a little cheap reward material can go.
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to spend a couple thousand won here and there for treats and rewards in class. It goes a long way in terms of behavior and participation in class I found.
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muggie2dammit



Joined: 28 Oct 2004
Location: Ilsan, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jlb wrote:
I used to spend a couple thousand won here and there for treats and rewards in class. It goes a long way in terms of behavior and participation in class I found.


I very rarely spend my money on the students. For birthdays, I'll get them a small gift, and occasionally I'll throw a cookie party or something - it doesn't cost much, but it's fun, and the kids appreciate it. If the kids enjoy it then it doesn't matter how much or how little it costs.
That said, I'm throwing a special celebration for all the classes of mine that did some pretty damn hard tests. NHothing much - some pizza, cookies, and perhaps ramyeon; then we'll engage in English conversation in a relaxed environment and they'll have no idea that I'm testing their ability to verbally converse using the forms I've been teaching for the last 3 months. Steath learning, and stealth testing, can be very effective.

Muggie2
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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only buy what I imediatly use. Crayons and small things that save my sanity. Cookies/Candy no way, the amount of sugar these kids get is mind bogling I don't need them to bounce off walls any more then I have too.

I don't spend squat on decor or supplies, no need, school is good about geting stuff and two I am like a giant ad they use me so I use them its a symbiotic parasite relationship.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't buy gifts or rewards for my students. But I do spend money on things that I create myself such as having board games printed and posters made. Also at least once a semester I buy a resource book in order to supplement my classes over time I've built up quite the library.

Recently I picked up a few archie comics and graded readers to lend out to students who are interested. Finally, this semester I had a contest where the prize was an advanced learners dictionary. This didn't cost me anything as I had recieved it free at last years KOTESOL conference.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SuperHero wrote:
Finally, this semester I had a contest where the prize was an advanced learners dictionary. This didn't cost me anything as I had recieved it free at last years KOTESOL conference.


When I was in elementary school I remember teachers using all kinds of random junk as "prizes" in games. One teacher had apparently a decade or so of National Geographics at home because he would give us the fold out maps from old issues as prizes. I think pretty much anything unusual, like a magazine or newspaper, would be worth winning if only one kid gets to win it, you know?
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice would not to waste your money on candy or food. Ok, 'waste' may not be the best word...but that hard earned money could be spent better.

If you start the candy and food system the students will come to expect it, and where does that leave you?

The only time I spent any money related to food was after a set time-frame (no less than 1 month...and that was just for my <legal> private classes). Food normally was only for end-of-semester/special event.

Instead, I spent that money on REUSABLE items...such as games and activities that I usually had to buy online. This was for them AND me. These purchases not only got them excited to learn/reinforce/use English, it helped make my time with them more enjoyable (and kill time when needed).

It's ok to spend your money on classroom items....as long as you keep these items when you leave. Oh, and as long as you stay here for more than a few more months...these types of purchases will pay for themselves.

!Shoosh

Ryst
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say I spend about 350,000 a year on my job. A lot of that includes books.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that spending W20,000 on glitter glue pens and chocolate bars for whoever's card has the most English on it has been completely worth it - 30 happy girls all folding and cuting and colouring away (if not actually writing that much in English, lol).

A little hint, if you're doing Christmas craft activities. Turn on some Christmas carols at a low volume while they're doing them. It has a wonderful calming effect, and many of them will start singing along to the tunes they know.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an extreme case (probably because I'm a compulsive gambler/spender by nature...) I thought that teaching public high school students meant that I would no longer shell out big won on candy, stickers (even ice cream practically every summer day when I was at a small hogwan). I've also bought many videos and DVDs and all kinds of games and teaching materials - most of which I left behind at the two hogwans I've worked at. (The second one had never had a native English teacher and was practically devoid of teaching materials when I got there; and my first hogwan was well-equipped - but was located next door to an "ESL supplies" store that had all the latest magnetic displays and elaborate games I couldn't resist. I probably averaged spending about fifty bucks a week while at those hogwans.

At my (technical) high school, I started out OK (my only extra spending was on snacks for Korean teachers sharing the same office) Last summer, though, I started getting candy for the smaller "special" classes, and I bought two packs each of "Go Fish" and "Crazy Eights" (School Zone brand) for my lower-level classes. They were so much into the candy that they clamored for it once the regular classes started started , and word spread that I sometimes gave out candy. And this term I have four evening classes of 25 six-to-ten year-olds that I've been getting a lot of candy, stickers, posters, games, etc. for. A couple of the kids couldn't afford to buy Lets Go I, so rather than go through the hassle of making copies (especially since colors are important) I went ahead and bought some for them. I'm probably back up to spending about thirty bucks a week on the average...
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