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Jake Barnes
Joined: 30 May 2005
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:41 pm Post subject: Dirty Dirty Consumers |
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Has anyone else watched CNN lately? Have you seen some of the videos from the first day of official Christmas shopping in the States, "Black Friday"? Honestly as an American this just makes me all the more happy that I will not be going home this year for the holidays. People packed at the front of stores waiting to get the 15 super discount items the store is offering, stampeding over each other once the doors are open, fist fights over who gets the last one of the 15 super discount items, and then fist fights over queing up at the register. I cannot believe how bad people want to save $10 on a TV, or computer, or Johnny the talking(insert name or popular toy here). Yet, the stores must know that there will be trouble coming when they plaster their ads all over the place and then only have limited numbers of the deep discounted items. Its just a shame that people have to be sent to the hospital over shopping and consumer greed.
Happy Holidays,
JB |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I used to make it a rule to never go near a mall between Thanksgiving and Christmas. It is some of the worst of American culture. Who wants that mass produced, ubiquitous, plastic mall crap, anyway? Oh yeah, I need another _____ from Pottery Barn/Williams Sonoma/Gap etc.
Then there is the week after Christmas, when the malls are worse, because everyone is returning the crap they never wanted in the first place, or else got three of. Ho! Ho! Ho! |
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rainyqueen
Joined: 14 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Have you ever been to a department store here????
I remember (five years ago) my first shopping experience in Korea. I actually cried. I phoned my mom - and told her to imagine the busiest day of shopping at home (black friday or boxing day) and multiply it ten. I didn't go back to a department store for a long, long time!! Mind you, I'm sure part of my reaction was culture shock - but seriously, its still scary!!! |
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Col.Brandon

Joined: 09 Aug 2004 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| And then it collapses on your head. I hate it when that happens. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't find department stores awful, but I avoid shopping districts like Gangnam and MyeongDong like the plague |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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I sometimes go through Lotte to ge to the theaters, but otherwise, department stores have no interest for me- they are expensive and, due to sizes, useless for me.
Why in the world pay big money for mass-produced, over-priced goods? |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I kind of like shopping. I have a natural immunity to spending too much, though. Often I'll go out and not buy anything at all, seems like some people are incapable of that. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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No christmas in Korea makes it a wonderful place. No hype, no build up, no last minute shopping.
Wonderful. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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No christmas in Korea makes it a wonderful place. No hype, no build up, no last minute shopping.
Wonderful. |
Yeah! Bah humbug! I'm always so tired by Chirstmas Day. Especially from all the partying. Then I have to think, "Ok. Money for partying or money for buying gifts. Hmmm."
Everyday is Christmas Day. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I would love to be home shopping. Walmart had a 42" Plasma TV for $997. The same thing here is at least double the price. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Dirty Dirty Consumers |
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| Jake Barnes wrote: |
Has anyone else watched CNN lately? Have you seen some of the videos from the first day of official Christmas shopping in the States, "Black Friday"? Honestly as an American this just makes me all the more happy that I will not be going home this year for the holidays. People packed at the front of stores waiting to get the 15 super discount items the store is offering, stampeding over each other once the doors are open, fist fights over who gets the last one of the 15 super discount items, and then fist fights over queing up at the register. I cannot believe how bad people want to save $10 on a TV, or computer, or Johnny the talking(insert name or popular toy here). Yet, the stores must know that there will be trouble coming when they plaster their ads all over the place and then only have limited numbers of the deep discounted items. Its just a shame that people have to be sent to the hospital over shopping and consumer greed.
Happy Holidays,
JB |
The same thing would happen in Korea if stores had major, hyped-up blowout sells. I don't think it's just a $10 savings. Some of the deals you can find are incredibly cheap. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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I go home every year for the holidays, but I go with all of my gifts in hand. When I travel during the year, and here in Korea, when I see something appropriate, I buy it and stash it. I'll get to the States on the 22nd., and relax because my shopping will complete.
And nothing I give anyone looks like it came mass produced from China via Walmart.  |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| And then it collapses on your head. I hate it when that happens. |
Good Lord, have you no sense of decency or compassion?!
(btw, nice one! )
So Chiaa, did you wind up buying the Samsung(?) TV that was up for auction on Buy/Sell/Trade a while back? I'd considered making a bid on that myself. But it was more or less a want rather than a genuine need for me, so I stepped back thinking you and the other bidder... was it Derrek?... would square off and maybe get it for a better price. Sounds like you didn't buy it, though. Wonder if anyone did.
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| Yeah, I used to make it a rule to never go near a mall between Thanksgiving and Christmas. It is some of the worst of American culture. Who wants that mass produced, ubiquitous, plastic mall crap, anyway? Oh yeah, I need another _____ from Pottery Barn/Williams Sonoma/Gap, etc. |
I read a lot about the Pottery Barn and Williams-Sonoma in the '90s. I'm not sure what these retailers are criticised for. They're obviously in a whole different league from K-mart or Walmart. From what I recall, they aimed at a smaller but fast-growing market niche and customer profile, and that they hit their targets with precision. So... why are they bashed? What does "a Pottery Barn Nation" mean? I understand "we're a nation of K-mart shoppers" comments -- "Everyday Low-price-land", homogenisation of society, the impact of big-box Walmarts on small communities, etc. But I don't see what the gripe is with upscale, up-market, boutique-type retailers. And who are the gripers? Frustrated theoretical marxists with a hate-on for anything commercial?
Let's see now, the big-box stores are evil because they're so big and cheap and because of too many reasons to get into, and why would I, since we've all heard them a million times?
The high-end boutiquey shops are evil because... oh right, they create false needs and play on people's psychological weaknesses to buy gold-plated corkscrews and $500 aprons and $75 rolling pins, handcrafted with integrity and a timeless commitment to the art of fine woodwork, and... well anyway, they're just despicable, those shops.
The 24-hour shops are evil because they're just way too convenient, and then they charge extra for that convenience.
Oh, and Christmas sucks because crowds of people spend vast amounts of time and money buying presents and cooking and getting the house ready for visiting relatives.
Seems there's just no pleasing some people.
Hey, I just glanced at my calendar -- There are now only 27 shopping days left, people!! As my father says,
'Yes, children, Christmas is at our throats again!'  |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I have nothing in particular against the Pottery Barn/Williams Sonoma/Gap/Banana Republic malls- except if you go to a mall in the U.S., that is what you see, along with some other national retailers.
It's all so faux style, unimaginative, and boring. Not to mention ubiquitous. Blech! Use you imagination, and don't get suckered into 6 month's of paying off credit cards used to buy gifts that people don't want or need anyway.
Yeah, it is an insidious racket. You want to fall for the hype and propaganda, be my guest. My friends and family will be happy that when I was wandering the temples of Ankor Wat, or the markets in Seoul, in February or August, I saw something interesting and thought enough of them to get it for them. Beats the crap out of the Mall chain store crap bnought on the fly on Christmas Eve in frustration and anger.
Actually, I know they will really just be happy to see me, and I them. |
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krats1976

Joined: 14 May 2003
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| chiaa wrote: |
| I would love to be home shopping. Walmart had a 42" Plasma TV for $997. The same thing here is at least double the price. |
It's true... there are some killer deals on Black Friday. Maybe someday that'll entice me out on that day, but not now (not that it matters right now, though, since I'm here and not there ).
The only time I ever made an effort to go out shopping on that day was the year I lived in Kodiak. There are only 10,000 people in the entire town and most were not the rise-early-and-consume type, so I figured it'd be safe. Plus, I needed a vacuum and they were like $30.
Every other year, I've spend Black Friday holed up in my house with some good movies and leftover pie. |
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