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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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I WAS serious.
No fair discounting the kangagoos you drove to a 'homocidal' frenzy. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| So, they can't see what he's doing at night? And people still believe he's been meditating for 6 months? There's a sucker born every minute. By the way, the light emanating from his forehead is just glare. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya ta what about all thoses ewes you pushed over the cliffs to keep quiet? |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:02 am Post subject: |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:47 am Post subject: |
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I don't care if he does eat, sleep and *beep* at night- try sitting like that, in a full lotus, all day, every day. It sounds like he is properly modest about what he is doing- but people are always inclined to create idols, whether the object of their fascination wants it or not.
I have heard that there was a yogi in India who hasn't eaten or defecated for years, and he seems to have defied explanation. I'll see if I can find the link. I suppose it is possible. Most of us have no idea what we are really capable of. And I am definitely not speaking of miracles. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| He's got very full cheeks for someone who supposedly didn't eat for 6 months. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't care if he does eat, sleep and *beep* at night- try sitting like that, in a full lotus, all day, every day. It sounds like he is properly modest about what he is doing- but people are always inclined to create idols, whether the object of their fascination wants it or not.
I have heard that there was a yogi in India who hasn't eaten or defecated for years, and he seems to have defied explanation. I'll see if I can find the link. I suppose it is possible. Most of us have no idea what we are really capable of. And I am definitely not speaking of miracles. |
Oh, I really doubt he didn't defecate in years. For that to be possible, he would need to be dead. Living organisms simply cannot function without producing metabolic waste. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, I really doubt he didn't defecate in years. For that to be possible, he would need to be dead. Living organisms simply cannot function without producing metabolic waste. |
I agree. Even the Buddha had regular bowel movements. He bled too & likely experienced physical pain etc. It's his attitude toward these things that would have differed from most people.
Anyways, on that note ...
They can't believe it's Buddha
The Telegraph, Dec 3, 2005
Kathmandu, Nepal -- Nepal's "Buddha boy" is under investigation by the authorities, who question his claim not to have eaten anything for six months and are examining his followers' finances.
<< Ram Bomjon claims not to have eaten for six months
The government believes that Ram Bomjon, 15, may be breaking his fast to eat at night when his shrine is closed to visitors.
Buddhism experts, the interior ministry and Nepal's leading scientific agency have all been called in to investigate the phenomenon, which has attracted thousands of pilgrims and excitement worldwide.
"We told the shrine management committee, 'Either we need to see everything that is going on or, if this is a fraud, you need to close it down,' " said Hari Har Dahal, a local official. "This has got into the media all over the world. If it is not true, it will be bad for the country."
The way donations to the organising committee have been spent has also been questioned.
Hundreds of pilgrims were still entering the jungle near the village of Ratanpuri to see Ram this week, despite the authorities' attempts to discourage the faithful from visiting the site.
"We stop from village to village and people are really keen to come," said Amit Bartola, a bus driver, who had 80 people crammed on to his 36-seat bus.
All the pilgrims The Daily Telegraph spoke to said they believed the claim that Ram had eaten or drunk nothing for six months. The scene's popularity is partly becuase of its resemblance to an episode in the life of the Buddha, born nearby in around 543 BC. The Buddha achieved enlightenment after meditating under a sacred pipal tree for 49 days, a feat of endurance allegedly surpassed by Ram. The boy is sitting under a pipal in the same pose as the Buddha.
Ganga Jeet Bomjon, Ram's elder brother, strongly rejected accusations of cheating. "The investigators say that you guys are doing something - feeding him batteries to give him energy or something," he joked. "But you try sitting with your legs crossed for three hours, never mind six months."
The management committee, mainly composed of young men and teenagers from Ram's village, stands by its claim that the teenager has eaten and drunk nothing for six months. But it has resisted intensive scrutiny.
"I don't mind people coming to check," said Ram Krishna Tamang, a committee member. "But they can't touch him and break his meditation."
Local officials have demanded to see the committee's accounts and have been told that it has received the equivalent of £6,311, a vast sum in Nepal where the average income is around £120 a year.
The committee says that £3,375 is left after the rest of the money was spent on running the site. The authorities want to know in more detail how the cash was spent.
The authorities say they must proceed with care because the issue is religiously sensitive. But there seems little chance that they will drop the case. They are also pressing for tests on the boy and 24-hour observation.
The policeman on guard outside the office where Ram's file is kept gave a clue to the mood at the administrative headquarters.
"He has to eat; he has to drink water," he said.
"If we find out that he is lying, he and the rest of them are going to jail."
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=1,2031,0,0,1,0 |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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"Buddhism experts, the interior ministry and Nepal's leading scientific agency have all been called in to investigate the phenomenon".
They need to do that, otherwise this might turn into mass hysteria. It reminds me of the time a scientist was called to the Indian countryside to prove to the farmers that there is no such thing as 'monkey men' preying on their children. I saw documentary of this on TV. The scientist seemed pained, and maybe even embarressed, by the ignorance. But you could tell that he was trying really hard to show respect to the peasants. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:54 am Post subject: |
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I too believe in a "resurrected" Christ; so really i think what we mainly have here are different metaphysical interpretations.
Speaking of being "BORN AGAIN" i interpret this in a manner which is hardly mainstream Christian. I'm QUITE confident Jesus was most familiar with the doctrines of both re-incarnation & karma. |
Exactly. I don't believe Jesus embraced re-incarnation or karma. The only reincarnation will be at the end of the age when all souls will be judged by God. If you have accepted Christ as your savior and lived in His etermal presence than you will be saved. Without Christ as your savior, you fate is sealed with hell forever. A bit different than your typical karma teaching. 
Too me, what you have posted in this thread is a deception. I believe that it is possible that he could have gone without water or drink, but if his power isn't found in Christ then it's a deception.
24��For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 24
We are entering a new age where great signs and wonders will be done through people. I think the Dalai Lama and buddhism will have a big role to play in the lead up to the anti-Christ world system. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I think the Dalai Lama and buddhism will have a big role to play in the lead up to the anti-Christ world system. |
Along with the Jews, the Hindus, the Muslims, and anyone else not of your particular brand of Christian sect.
You are being very offensive, by the way.
As an aside, anyone see Jimmy Carter on the Daily Show yesterday (downloadable tonight)? He is a good reminder that there are actually decent, rational Christians out there. Carter discusses the importance of the separation of church and state, and how recently the wall between the two has been deliberately and agressively torn down.
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| You are being very offensive, by the way. |
I am sorry you take offense to what I have said, but I see the influence the Dalai Lama has over nations and can't help but see the parallels.
- A world leader who speaks and is a advocate of world peace,
- One who will move in great signs and wonders,
- Has a philosphy incredibly similar to Christianity, but starkly different. This is important because it will cater to the many Christians who want to be tolerant of other religions. I really think Oprah Winfrey is a big supporter of this type of spirituality.
- It is this type of leader that can guide us towards a one world system.
Sure the Dalai Lama has done wonderful things and is a great role model for millions. I even feel that many buddhist live closer to Christ than Christians. Still, it doesn't make up for the fact that his life contrasts a life in Christ.
I think it is Windson Churchhill who once wrote, Hitler would have been one of the world greatest leaders if he hadn't gone to war. He turned a nation from the brink social ruin and made into one of the greatest nations on the earth. Sometimes what seems great on paper isn't so great once we get there. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| You are being very offensive, by the way. |
I am sorry you take offense to what I have said, but I see the influence the Dalai Lama has over nations and can't help but see the parallels.
- A world leader who speaks and is a advocate of world peace,
- One who will move in great signs and wonders,
- Has a philosphy incredibly similar to Christianity, but starkly different. This is important because it will cater to the many Christians who want to be tolerant of other religions. I really think Oprah Winfrey is a big supporter of this type of spirituality.
- It is this type of leader that can guide us towards a one world system.
Sure the Dalai Lama has done wonderful things and is a great role model for millions. I even feel that many buddhist live closer to Christ than Christians. Still, it doesn't make up for the fact that his life contrasts a life in Christ.
I think it is Windson Churchhill who once wrote, Hitler would have been one of the world greatest leaders if he hadn't gone to war. He turned a nation from the brink social ruin and made into one of the greatest nations on the earth. Sometimes what seems great on paper isn't so great once we get there. |
Maybe you mean Winston Churchill? And you are comparing the Dalai Lama to Hitler. The hubris of true believers is bottomless. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Five Eagles, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand you to say that Christian leaders are more constructive than leaders who are not Christian. I also understand you to use Hitler as a bad example.
But I also thought that Hitler endorsed Christianity, and stated very firmly that he was performing the will of the Christian God.
How do you resolve all this? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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A few people can quickly memorize every single name and number in a huge telephone book.
It's a demonstrated and scientifically confirmed phenomenon. How? I dunno.
Not long ago a guy was found nearly thirty days after an earthquake, over four weeks without ANY water or food.
There are incredibly exceptional things that can happen.
Don't outright reject what seems strange and implausible to you. But a healthy dose of scepticism is a good place to start.
Yet the Nepal boy is not about science as much as religion. Nothing wrong with letting believers believe as a matter of faith. |
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