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		BigBlackEquus
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:30 pm    Post subject: Korean language classes- too busy to work? | 
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				For those of you who took an intensive/full-time Korean study program at a place like Yonsei or SNU, did you have time to work maybe 3 hours per day part-time as well?  
 
 
I don't need any information on the legality of visas, etc.  I am curious about time commitment.  
 
 
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		Ryst Helmut
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				If you really want to get the best bang-for-your-buck...I wouldn't mix the two.  
 
 
I studied part-time whilst working full time.  A dud.
 
 
I studied full-time whilst working part time.  I learned, but not compared to studying full-time and not working.  That includes just a few hours doing privates (mine were legal).
 
 
Just fyi-as of a few years ago it is totally legal for an international student (on student visa) to work part-time privately...I'll dig up that info later if you need.
 
 
Back to the topic...I learned so much more when I didn't work because I was able to focus on my studies.  Sure classes were just 4 hours a day...but I had 2-3 hours HW minimum.  That was draining and it didn't even count for the time that I was able to practice what I learned.
 
 
I see the difference all the time with my students here Stateside...those that work (usually in shops that are owned by someone of the same L1) progress more slowly than their non-working peers.
 
 
If you enrol full time than you had better spend that time wisely.  Really try to immerse yourself.
 
 
more later....the sleeping pills are kicking in now and I can barely keep my eyelids open.
 
 
!shoosh
 
 
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		Mashimaro
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:44 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				studying a difficult foreign language is very taxing on your brain and your time.  To get the most out of a language program I'd recommend keeping working hours to an absolute minimum.  
 
 
Stating the obvious perhaps but the more time and effort doing homework, revising and preparing for class the more you will get out of it. | 
			 
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		BigBlackEquus
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:06 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Well, thank-you all for your comments so far.  I am trying to decide if I want to leave my job to go full-time (I really want to study FT) and lose a ton of cash, or take an evening PT class for 6 hours per week and keep my simple 10 to 4 job.  Not sure I can come across a job like this ever again.  Really not sure.  Maybe never?  That is why I am wavering.  That and the money.
 
 
I REALLY would like to see the information about working on a student visa.  I had heard of that, but I thought that specifically was NOT for language class students.  Only for FT university students going for a BA or such.  Seems I saw that discussion on here before.  Anyone know? | 
			 
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		joe_doufu
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:41 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| I studied Korean 2 hours a day 5 days a week while working here (up until this month, because i wasn't sure i'd get paid!) and that's pretty good.  I studied Chinese on a similar schedule in Taiwan.  I think with any type of learning you reach a point of diminishing returns... I don't think I could cram more than two hours of an Asian language into my brain in a 24 hour period.  So... I would recommend working and studying at the same time, as I did.  You'll also go home with more money, not less.  That's what works for me, of course, you might be different. | 
			 
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		OiGirl
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:16 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Just fyi-as of a few years ago it is totally legal for an international student (on student visa) to work part-time privately...I'll dig up that info later if you need. | 
	 
 
 
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		itaewonguy
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				12 months.. work part time to survive.. get a public school job 1-5 or find a school which will give you a visa for around 10hours week.. and just work a couple hours a day to make ends meat! and study fulltime!!
 
and if you really want to do it right.. do one full year! you will be pretty fluent starting the 2007 school year!! 
 
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		death from above
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:20 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				i just finished taking a korean class at ewha while working 8 hrs/day...  while living in ilsan.  it was 2 hrs/day, 3 days/week..  the instructor also expected us to study 3-4 hrs for each class.  
 
 
needless to say(but i'll say it anyway) i failed.  badly. | 
			 
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		Son Deureo!
 
 
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	  | I REALLY would like to see the information about working on a student visa.  I had heard of that, but I thought that specifically was NOT for language class students.  Only for FT university students going for a BA or such.  Seems I saw that discussion on here before.  Anyone know? | 
	 
 
 
 
Yes you're right, you cannot work on a visa geared for language students.  Only students in degree programs.  BTW, I couldn't even get the 6 month student visa because my school only enrolls ppl for 3 months at a time.  I think the Korean government actually doesn't want people to study the language at all.  Grrr....
 
 
My 2 cents worth, I tried studying at Sogang full-time while teaching 4 hours per day, and I found it maddening.  I found it very difficult to keep up with my homework readings, write an essay per day, and do a decent job with teaching my English classes as well.  I would have gotten a LOT more out of it if I hadn't been working so much as well.
 
 
If you plan to go for one of the 4 hour a day programs, try to keep your working hours to a bare minimum (maybe 10 hours a week, tops).
 
 
On the other hand, if you go to a hogwon to study Korean (e.g. YBM), they don't have anywhere near as much homework, I found their 2 hours a day classes to be very doable while working full time.  If you must work, this may be a better option. | 
			 
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		Hater Depot
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				| I have a friend working fulltime and studying fulltime. Commuting an hour to work each way. If Korean high school students can do it, so can you, but it would take an iron constitution and a willingness to abandon a lot of things you probably wouldn't want to. | 
			 
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		Ryst Helmut
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | Just fyi-as of a few years ago it is totally legal for an international student (on student visa) to work part-time privately...I'll dig up that info later if you need. | 
	 
 
 
Please do so! | 
	 
 
 
 
Ok, so I went onto the MOJ website and found this:
 
 
 
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	  | The holder of this visa(D-2) is not allowed to engage in any other activity for remuneration such as a part-time job. In case a foreign student breaks this rule, he/she will be punished according to the article 94 or 95 of Immigration Law. In principle, a tuition fee or living expenses in Korea shall be covered by his/her own money, therefore, to an applicant who intends to raise money for tuition fees or expenses in Korea is restricted from this visa issuance. | 
	 
 
 
 
Odd, because I know it was done....the language school even helped set up some gigs.  When I come to Korea next week I will swing by the school and ask.
 
 
 
!shoosh
 
 
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		mithridates
 
  
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				 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  Well, thank-you all for your comments so far.  I am trying to decide if I want to leave my job to go full-time (I really want to study FT) and lose a ton of cash, or take an evening PT class for 6 hours per week and keep my simple 10 to 4 job.  Not sure I can come across a job like this ever again.  Really not sure.  Maybe never?  That is why I am wavering.  That and the money.
 
 
I REALLY would like to see the information about working on a student visa.  I had heard of that, but I thought that specifically was NOT for language class students.  Only for FT university students going for a BA or such.  Seems I saw that discussion on here before.  Anyone know? | 
	 
 
 
 
I suppose it depends on what kind of job it is. If it's simply a go in, do four hours and then leave and not think about it for the rest of the day kind of job then you can probably study at the same time. The largest benefit of quitting a job to study full time is that you don't have to think about anything else and if the job is stressful or if you have to meet people after work then I think it would be worth it to quit.
 
 
I'm not sure what your job is, but career-wise knowing Korean can be extremely beneficial, but only as long as it's at a certain level. If you know yourself well and belive that you'll be able to reach that level in the time you're thinking of putting into it, then I assume you'll only come out better in the end. Add that to the fact that learning the language implies a *lot* of conversational practice, you'll probably meet a few hundred new people on the way and who knows what sort of help that will bring to your career. | 
			 
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