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Gia3000



Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: ��Send your original university degree diploma" Reply with quote

��Send your original university degree diploma; it will be given back to you.�� This is what the school/recruiter told me.

Is it normal? From all the info I��ve read on Dave��s, I gather that doing this is not advisable.

Here��s the e-mail I got from the recruiter (who was only forwarding info from the school):

Because the immigration office got much more strict than before, you will have to send your original degree. A notarized copy doesn't work anymore at some immigration offices and the one taking care of [insert school name here] only accepts the Original degree.

So, is this normal? I mean, the copy of my diploma is certified by the Korean consulate and notarized.

Argh! As if this isn��t enough, they want me to be there on December 6th so they can ship me off to Japan first. I��m getting the special treatment for newbies!


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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A notarized copy would be fine, but it must be notarized by a Korean notary (at your local consulate/embassy) not by an American notary, of course. And even this, they should only ask you for after the contract is signed (by both parties), you have a copy of it with their signature in your files, and you're ready to ship out. They need it for the visa, not for the job application.
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senorvivo



Joined: 17 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is my understanding that procedures have changed since October, and that original diplomas must be forwarded to Korea prior to issuance of the E2 visas approval. A friend recently sent a notarised {by Korean embassy in Ottawa] copy, along with all supporting docs, sealed transcript etc, and it was knocked back by immigration in Busan. She had to send the original before they would issue her a PIN /confirmation number to take to the embassy in Canada to get her passport stamped. Don't know if she got it back yet though, she has been there a couple of weeks.
Costs money, but you can always get another one issued by your university if neccessary, just a drag waiting for it.
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Zark



Joined: 12 May 2003
Location: Phuket, Thailand: Look into my eyes . . .

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you plan on working overseas for any extended period of time - it is very worth your while to get an extra original or two of your degree and to stock up on official transcripts. They really don't cost all that much compared to the hassle of not having them when you need them most.

It is not uncommon for employers (or even recruiters) to hold your degree hostage. If you have a spare - no problem.

I keep a couple extras of each of my degrees - and then I NEVER feel like I can be held up by a difficult employer.


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Wrench



Joined: 07 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorvivo wrote:
It is my understanding that procedures have changed since October, and that original diplomas must be forwarded to Korea prior to issuance of the E2 visas approval. A friend recently sent a notarised {by Korean embassy in Ottawa] copy, along with all supporting docs, sealed transcript etc, and it was knocked back by immigration in Busan. She had to send the original before they would issue her a PIN /confirmation number to take to the embassy in Canada to get her passport stamped. Don't know if she got it back yet though, she has been there a couple of weeks.
Costs money, but you can always get another one issued by your university if neccessary, just a drag waiting for it.


That is such BS.. This country has some really odd ways of geting things done, they have double standards for immigration everywhere.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell them it's a notarized copy or it's no deal. Did you speak to immigration directly? Doubt it. The hagwon owner told you that immigration wants your degree, didn't they? They want your degree, not immigration. By simply saying no you'll discover that somehow, they'll find a way to do without. If not, remember how easy it was to get that job offer? Get another.
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senorvivo



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That may well be true, but looking for another job offer puts you back to square one, waiting for contracts, checking them out, couriering new contract and info over to Korea at 60-90 bucks a pop,[plus another 5 days to get there] etc etc. In my friend's case, she did not have the luxury of time, and was just really anxious to get things finalized.
Guess time will tell if she was prudent, no guarantees in this life.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorvivo wrote:
In my friend's case, she did not have the luxury of time, and was just really anxious to get things finalized.
Guess time will tell if she was prudent, no guarantees in this life.


She was not prudent. Time will tell if she was lucky. The first and most fundamental key to any negotiation is to know your next-best alternative. If you are negotiating for one job and you have no other options than to take the job, you are in what I call the "bent over please screw me" position. You have to take whatever they give you. OTOH if you're willing to accept "remain unemployed for an extra couple weeks" as a possibility, and play a little bit of hardball you can get plenty of concessions and work out a contract that suits both parties. Always have an alternative.
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
senorvivo wrote:
In my friend's case, she did not have the luxury of time, and was just really anxious to get things finalized.
Guess time will tell if she was prudent, no guarantees in this life.


She was not prudent. Time will tell if she was lucky. The first and most fundamental key to any negotiation is to know your next-best alternative. If you are negotiating for one job and you have no other options than to take the job, you are in what I call the "bent over please screw me" position. You have to take whatever they give you. OTOH if you're willing to accept "remain unemployed for an extra couple weeks" as a possibility, and play a little bit of hardball you can get plenty of concessions and work out a contract that suits both parties. Always have an alternative.


this is so true, i am sure everyone here in korea would agree an extra week of waiting is worth making sure you are not in a year of hell...
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senorvivo



Joined: 17 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But....but....but.......this site is full of tales of woe from people who find that their contract means zip once they are actually in Korea, or at least it's very much "open to interpretation" so it seems to depend more upon luck than anything else. Even if you get a good contract, having to fight tooth and nail to have it honoured would make for a crappy work situation.
Having signed a very dodgy contract myself, but also having spoken to 3 past and present teachers who were overall very positive, I guess I will find out if indeed the gods DO take care of idiots and innocents. I leave next week.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senorvivo wrote:
But....but....but.......this site is full of tales of woe from people who find that their contract means zip once they are actually in Korea, or at least it's very much "open to interpretation" so it seems to depend more upon luck than anything else.


One very good reason to negotiate your contract! All they are doing is copying and pasting a contract they found on the internet, or the one the previous owner of the hagwon used before going bankrupt, or whatever. If you sign it, it means nothing to them and they'll feel free to "interpret" what's best. On the other hand, if you've negotiated some of the terms, they know which terms of the contract are important to you. That's not to say they won't try to change them later, but at least they'll know it's a conflict and they'll expect you to expect something in return.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
A notarized copy would be fine, but it must be notarized by a Korean notary (at your local consulate/embassy) not by an American notary, of course. And even this, they should only ask you for after the contract is signed (by both parties), you have a copy of it with their signature in your files, and you're ready to ship out. They need it for the visa, not for the job application.

Is the notary at a Korean embassy someone who holds notarization authority from the Korea government, or is is an employee of the Korean government who, being physically present in the US, holds notarization authority from the US?

Is there anywhere in Korea to get things notarized that will hold up legally in the US?
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Teufelswacht



Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OiGirl wrote:


Is there anywhere in Korea to get things notarized that will hold up legally in the US?


Yes.

http://seoul.usembassy.gov/notarial_services.html
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