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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Wangja wrote: |
Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
Without the umbrella of American defence, Canada would have been at risk of attack from the Soviets, or from any nation with a superior armed forces, such as French Guyana. .... |
Why do you think the Soviets would have wanted to attack Canada? |
At the height of the Cold War Canada was spending a lot of money on defence and was also helping to defend Norway and Germany from Soviet attack. But if Canada still had troops in Norway and Germany helping to defend them today, praytell just what would these countries have to be grateful for? So what does Canada or Western Europe have to be grateful for today or the past 15 years in terms of US 'defence'? |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I have no idea if the Soviets actually had designs on Canada, and I speak half-facetiously. But we did have the DEW line in the 70s to watch for Soviet missiles, and Trudeau, a semi-socialist himself, was on good terms with Castro and the Soviets. I suppose the Soviets might have seen opportunities for territorial expansion, and what better than to be on America's doorstep.
Maybe some of our complaints in this thread are about paper tigers. America had significant bases until the 90s in Europe to warn off Russian expansion, but those bases have been shrinking or disappearing since then. Sometimes, as in Korea, there may actually have been local opposition to forces leaving; they provide jobs and money too. But granted, why they are needed at all now is beyond me.
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:49 am Post subject: yes |
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That surplus might have something to do with killer taxes, major cutbacks, and not going to war. War is so expensive.
Just because we are in a surplus, doesn't mean we should go back into a deficit just because everyone else is.
Like I said, I don't disagree with aid. I just disagree with an Irish man telling someone else's country to give more. He thinks it should be 0.7%? If Ireland is truly 0.45% or whatever someone said, maybe that should be the centre of Bono's thoughts before he looks elsewhere in the world.
khyber wrote: |
to the op...didn't want 20 bil.
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Apparently, Bono, some washed up star feels Canada should give another 20 billion dollars a year for foreign aid. |
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He wants Canada to increase foreign contributions to 0.7 per cent of its gross domestic product. That would more than triple the $3 billion Canada currently spends on foreign aid each year. |
perhaps your counting needs a bit of help.
Canada does poorly period.
Every country does poorly, BUT, as the article notes:
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Speaking in support of the Make Poverty History project, Bono said Canada could easily increase Third World aid because it's the only major industrialized country in a surplus position. |
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_aid_as_of_gdp&int=-1 |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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We failed and Bono is right. We have the hottest economy in the developed world and are putting the US and the EU to shame with our growth and budget surplusses. We should be doing more but it won't happen until we get a majority Liberal government again, this minority gov't has meant that we spent alot on ourselves instead of others.
As for the canadian military remember who it was that fought and won WWI on the fields of Vimy Ridge, Passchendale, Ypres, etc. And don't forget which country ran the D-Day test at Dieppe and sacrficed hundreds to test the beach landing theory, and what country was the only country to make its first day D-day objectives. So remember that canada has always been at the tip of the spear in the noble fights while the Americans waited YEARS to join the fight (or just starts illegal and unjust ones). |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:13 am Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
So remember that canada has always been at the tip of the spear in the noble fights while the Americans waited YEARS to join the fight (or just starts illegal and unjust ones). |
Do you have a contract with this site that obligates you to dump on America everytime you post? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, what's the reason for your hard-on for the USA? Jealousy?  |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
yeah, what's the reason for your hard-on for the USA? Jealousy?  |
Down Syndrome |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Uh d*cks it was other people who posted knocking Canada and their military I was just defending my country. I know that means that I am a crazy commie canada loving USA hating canuck but read the rest of the board first. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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so you admit you can't defend your country without ragging on the USA? |
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Moldy Rutabaga

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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Uh d*cks it was other people who posted knocking Canada and their military I was just defending my country. |
The people you have just described with an expletive have rightly pointed out that the subject of this thread is foreign aid, and not yet another diatribe against American military actions.
Defending our country simply by criticizing another is not really a defence. If that's all we have, then we're not really a country.
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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I would have been happy to speak just of foriegn aid but earlier posters ragged on Canada so i ragged back, in this boards eyes that means I am crazy yet nothing is said about those who hijacked the thread with garbage on militaries, which wasnt me. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:44 am Post subject: yes |
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This post originated from a criticism against Canada, but really had very little to do with USA.
But we do get compared to them a lot.
On another note, I become more and more pro-USA, the longer I stay in Korea. I am juts anti-Bush and anti-war. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Name one US base abroad which exists for altruistic reasons. |
It doesn't matter if the bases in Japan, Korea, Europe, and everywhere else are there for selfish reasons. Japan, Korea, Europe and everywhere else benefit by their presence. Nobody is going to invade Japan while the US military is based there. Does it matter if their intentions are selfish or altruistic? They're defending most of the free world without even necessarily setting out to. |
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hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Location: I wish I were a sock
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 8:10 am Post subject: |
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joe_doufu wrote: |
hypnotist wrote: |
Name one US base abroad which exists for altruistic reasons. |
It doesn't matter if the bases in Japan, Korea, Europe, and everywhere else are there for selfish reasons. Japan, Korea, Europe and everywhere else benefit by their presence. Nobody is going to invade Japan while the US military is based there. Does it matter if their intentions are selfish or altruistic? They're defending most of the free world without even necessarily setting out to. |
It matters in the context of the discussion we were having, as to whether US military spending should be considered [equivalent to] aid or not. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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joe_doufu wrote: |
hypnotist wrote: |
Name one US base abroad which exists for altruistic reasons. |
It doesn't matter if the bases in Japan, Korea, Europe, and everywhere else are there for selfish reasons. Japan, Korea, Europe and everywhere else benefit by their presence. Nobody is going to invade Japan while the US military is based there. Does it matter if their intentions are selfish or altruistic? They're defending most of the free world without even necessarily setting out to. |
Again, the US benefited enormously by this arrangement, particularly in Asia. A military powerful Japan with a blue water navy would have led to a huge arms race in Asia and a very unstable region. And it wasn't like American military forces were replacing a nation's armed forces. American forces in Europe and Asia would not be enough to stop any kind of Soviet or Chinese invasion. They are nothing but tripwire forces. "You'll have to try very hard to kill these Americans, but if you do, it's clearly a huge act of war."
A stable Asia that had no fear of attack from Japan or Japan trying to seize off shore oil and gas payed huge dividends to the American economy. |
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