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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
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Okay, "Stupid Guru Question Time" again.
(and it really is "stupid", because I remember asking something like this once before. I'm like one of your slow students who just can't seem to retain anything.  )
1. Is this rule something new or not?
Weren't teachers posting time-killer ideas and puzzle/game websites all year long (okay, just certain months) because their schools made them show up to empty classrooms and offices during their vacation? And posters on this thread are saying "my school did this last year, my school did this last year". So, is this new or not?
2. What is motivating this? (and serious answers, if possible.  )
Specifically, who would benefit from this and in what way?
3. What do you expect the end result to be, for the schools and for the existing foreign faculty?
Might this new(?) policy prove so unpopular that it could be scuppered? Judging from this thread, a fairly high proportion of current teachers might give up teaching at Korean schools over this (very drastic) deterioration in contract terms. Any idea how many? And where will they go? And will the schools find replacements in time? |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
1. Is this rule something new or not? |
Nope. It's been around since at least last year
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| 2. What is motivating this? (and serious answers, if possible. ) Specifically, who would benefit from this and in what way? |
I don't know. GEPIK would benefit. Also a way to stop public school teachers from teaching the camps.
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| 3. What do you expect the end result to be, for the schools and for the existing foreign faculty? |
The foreigners will either grumble and take it, or leave. The schools will look for a new foreign monkey.
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| Might this new(?) policy prove so unpopular that it could be scuppered? Judging from this thread, a fairly high proportion of current teachers might give up teaching at Korean schools over this (very drastic) deterioration in contract terms. Any idea how many? And where will they go? And will the schools find replacements in time? |
Because there are plenty of fresh faces coming over willing to sign these contracts, then they'll keep offering them. Most schools want a white monkey if they can teach it becomes a bonus.
My principal has made it clear that he really wants a male teacher for my school (I teach boys), so despite winning two contests and recieving rave reviews from my education office I'm being frozen out. |
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mysteriousdeltarays
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm amazed that thay gave you that much notice. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Hee hee.
"I work at a public school!" 
Big deal. |
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deessell
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Hey, I would like longer holidays than the current two weeks but one thing to take into consideration is that Korean teachers teach on Saturdays. If you total up the Saturdays that we don't teach you may find it equals the amount of vacation that K teachers receive. I am NOT sticking up for the MOE, I am just pointing this out. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| deessell wrote: |
| Hey, I would like longer holidays than the current two weeks but one thing to take into consideration is that Korean teachers teach on Saturdays. |
While that is true (teachers at my school have one Saturday in every month off) you must take into account that foreigners have no chance of promotion, and don't enjoy the same amount of job security that Korean teachers have.
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| If you total up the Saturdays that we don't teach you may find it equals the amount of vacation that K teachers receive. |
For 3 months of the year they don't work, and even when they do work they get one Saturday in every month off. If you do the math the Saturdays they work on amount to 27 days. (maybe a little less if public holidays come into play) That's less than a month. Adding up the days that means they still get two months compared to the proposed 14 calender days we will get. [/quote] |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Soon they'll have two Saturdays of every month off. |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Soon they'll have two Saturdays of every month off. |
They already have that.
Soon the Korean teachers will have no Saturday classes ... and two and half months vacation. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Not everywhere.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2005/11/30/200511300017.asp
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The government plans to widen a five-day workweek system in schools beginning next March, allowing students and teachers to have two Saturdays off every month, the Education Ministry said yesterday.
Currently, students are only granted one Saturday off in a month. The expansion will reduce the number of school days by up to 10 percent a year, officials said.
"The superintendents of educational affairs in cities and provinces will speak with schools to decide which Saturdays will be free for students," Kim Young-yoon, director of school policy office at the ministry, said.
"Thirty-four class hours will be reduced for all elementary, junior high and high schools, except first and second graders." He said because the first and second graders finish their school before noon, there is no need to reduce their class hours.
The ministry said Korean students spend an average 220 days a year at school, the highest number of class days in the world. The expansion of the five-day work system will reduce it to an average of 205 days a year.
Students in Japan and Canada, only attend 175 and 190 days respectively. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Assuming just two weeks of vacation, wouldn't this "new(okay, not really new) order" change the whole complexion of Korea, from a teacher's perspective, as the ideal jumping-off point for touring the vast reaches of Asia? Or might it just rechannel the outward tourism to destinations nearer to hand? The easy-weekend trips, you know...
"Shop Hong Kong!"
"My Unforgettable Day & a Half in Tokyo"
"Discover Saipan!"
"Explore Guam!"
"Tinian Beckons!"
And as for the actual _annual leave_, I gather the pressure will mount to near-unbearable levels to spend that greatly reduced number of days in the warm bosom of those lovely people who brought you into this world.
Just a guess. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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i'm an idiot...
How are GEPIK and EPIK different?
The contract i've signed is for 14 days. I have a half dozen friends who work for epik in busan and they have all said that, the contract has said that for "several years" but they have NEVER had less than one month.
When y'all talk about "public school job" are you referring to a contract with ONE school in particular OR EPIK jobs incl. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| are you off your rocker? the students and korean teachers get 2 1/2 months and the foreign teacher (who works just as hard the korean teachers) is expected to settle with 7 days and come to an unheated school all winter. teachers need holidays man. |
I think this comment shows how ignorant you are when it comes the amount of work a Korean teacher does - especially a homeroom teacher.
Maybe if you came in an hour or two earlier and saw them there working, and then left a few hours later than usual, and still saw them working, then you might know they work harder than the foreign teachers.
Do you have to do administrative paper work that doesn't correspond with your class? Most Korean teachers do.
If you are actually at a school where the Korean teachers do nothing - think about a change, that tells me a lot about the school if that is the case. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
i'm an idiot...
How are GEPIK and EPIK different?
The contract i've signed is for 14 days. I have a half dozen friends who work for epik in busan and they have all said that, the contract has said that for "several years" but they have NEVER had less than one month.
When y'all talk about "public school job" are you referring to a contract with ONE school in particular OR EPIK jobs incl. |
The Gyeonggi board of education is trying to make every school in it's jurisdiction follow the rules for the GEPIK program |
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I_Am_Wrong
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| are you off your rocker? the students and korean teachers get 2 1/2 months and the foreign teacher (who works just as hard the korean teachers) is expected to settle with 7 days and come to an unheated school all winter. teachers need holidays man. |
I think this comment shows how ignorant you are when it comes the amount of work a Korean teacher does - especially a homeroom teacher.
Maybe if you came in an hour or two earlier and saw them there working, and then left a few hours later than usual, and still saw them working, then you might know they work harder than the foreign teachers.
Do you have to do administrative paper work that doesn't correspond with your class? Most Korean teachers do.
If you are actually at a school where the Korean teachers do nothing - think about a change, that tells me a lot about the school if that is the case. |
Excuse me? Maybe you should think before you talk out of your ass. Every morning I'm the first teacher in at my school. First class is at 9:10 and I arrive on average at 7:45. Why is that? Maybe because I'm given next to zero in prep time. I teach more classes than any other teacher at my school and I work my bloody ass off. I teach "che leyan" classes at my school along with the regular curriculum which means classes of 36 beginner grade 2's, extra grade 5 classes, and an after school program. In one week I get one free class hour and three days a week I teach straight until 4:30.
Most of the Korean teachers at my school are excellent and work very hard, but there are a few that do nothing. The arts and crafts teacher is always asleep or fooling around on the internet when she doesn't have a class and the other teachers say that she never prepares for classes.
The Korean English teachers don't have Saturday classes and while I'm running around teaching all my special classes they get free blocks. Yet, they get full vacation. The Home room teachers are finished at lunch time on Wednesday, they get at least two free blocks every day, and they currently get one saturday off which will move to two next year.
Don't tell me who isn't working hard and doesn't deseve vacation. |
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Return Jones
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| I_Am_Wrong wrote: |
| are you off your rocker? the students and korean teachers get 2 1/2 months and the foreign teacher (who works just as hard the korean teachers) is expected to settle with 7 days and come to an unheated school all winter. teachers need holidays man. |
I think this comment shows how ignorant you are when it comes the amount of work a Korean teacher does - especially a homeroom teacher.
Maybe if you came in an hour or two earlier and saw them there working, and then left a few hours later than usual, and still saw them working, then you might know they work harder than the foreign teachers.
Do you have to do administrative paper work that doesn't correspond with your class? Most Korean teachers do.
If you are actually at a school where the Korean teachers do nothing - think about a change, that tells me a lot about the school if that is the case. |
Excuse me? Maybe you should think before you talk out of your ass. Every morning I'm the first teacher in at my school. First class is at 9:10 and I arrive on average at 7:45. Why is that? Maybe because I'm given next to zero in prep time. I teach more classes than any other teacher at my school and I work my bloody ass off. I teach "che leyan" classes at my school along with the regular curriculum which means classes of 36 beginner grade 2's, extra grade 5 classes, and an after school program. In one week I get one free class hour and three days a week I teach straight until 4:30.
Most of the Korean teachers at my school are excellent and work very hard, but there are a few that do nothing. The arts and crafts teacher is always asleep or fooling around on the internet when she doesn't have a class and the other teachers say that she never prepares for classes.
The Korean English teachers don't have Saturday classes and while I'm running around teaching all my special classes they get free blocks. Yet, they get full vacation. The Home room teachers are finished at lunch time on Wednesday, they get at least two free blocks every day, and they currently get one saturday off which will move to two next year.
Don't tell me who isn't working hard and doesn't deseve vacation. |
I would have to agree. Some Korean teachers are indeed diligent, but there are quite a few that really do the bare minimum. Many don't arrive at school until 8:40 or so and often leave at exactly 4:40. There are many days on which I leave the school a bit late and I'm the last one leaving the buildling. I know this because the old caretaker guy is waiting at the front door for me. As mentioned above, those that teach grade 3 or under rarely have any classes after lunchtime. Grading papers aside, much of the work they do is simply red tape imposed on them by the education office. That's a shame, but I suppose that's no different in any teaching job. Don't forget to factor in the additional stresses as a foreigner.
We desevere a more comparable vacation. |
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