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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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 Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: Re: The Last Post |
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1. I think it is very important that people write to their embassies and to newspapers in western countries, telling of the situation here with the Immigration Department.
2. I know that it seems a strange thing to want to make a big deal about. What is being demanded of us is only a mild inconvenience compared to a lot of stuff that happens in Korea. What I am upset about is that it is a NATIONAL statement of "distrust of white people". The people of Korea are publicly declaring that they do not like whites in their country, and they are letting us know this by publically humiliating us. This is a very different matter from the mundane racism that happens everywhere. This is a national policy statement about foreigners from countries with which Korea wants to trade.
3. If we accept this unquestioningly, we will have no right to complain about ANYTHING that Koreans do to us (not that I tried to complain before). This is the same kind of situation as the Jews in Nazi Germany before the Second World War. Sounds like an outrageous thing to say. It IS an outrageous situation. Why do situations like this occur? Because the people just say "Oh well, it's not as bad as..." Someone made a joke that we may be made to wear armbands with TESOL written on them. We don't need armbands, but we will be (and are) stopped and asked for our documentation. |
You're kidding, right?
1. Ok, if you think it is a big deal, then go ahead and write your letters.
2. A NATIONAL statement of "distrust of white people"? Don't you think you're going a little overboard here? A few bad apples have made this the situation that it is, both for immigration and the ESL industry in Korea. And, the 'publicly' part you write about makes it seem like it's in the papers and Koreans are all talking about ESL teachers. Quite an embellishment, me thinks.
3. OK, now, you're not going a little overboard, you've gone way over the top. Nazi Germany? The Jews? WTF are you talking about? Seriously. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| jacl wrote: |
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I don't really see why people would work illegally unless they didn't have a degree. I don't think you make more money teaching privates. You have to pay for rent, you don't get severence pay, you have the possiblity of cancellations or outright firings, and, in most cases, travelling. |
Most people charge between 30,000-50,000 a hour for privates. Let's take the average (40,000). Let's also say you get twenty hours (quite doable in a big city) a week. That's eighty a month. Now take cancellations/fireings into effect (very low if you are a half-decent teacher) and say about 60 hours a month. So 40,000*60= 2.4 million a month. And that's only for 60 hours. Half of what a typical hakwon's hours are (120) for more than a typical hakwon (2 M) pays.
As for traveling, again in a big city, you have a subway. Quite cheap.
Rent is not that expensive if you have a Korean friend or two to help you look around. Your students can do that for you. |
If, if, if. |
And despite all these "ifs" there are quite a few people here who make good money from privates. |
No doubt. |
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mysteriousdeltarays
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: Food Pyramid Bldg. 5F, 77 Sunset Strip, Alphaville
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I never got a letter. I went in on my own. They told me they were only sending them out to suspicious people.
They were happy to see me as a nutcase. Actually they did mention that evryone will get one eventually. It apparently is going to be another form to fill out next year if you are applying for an E2.
I'm all for it in terms of phone calls instead of the damn transcripts. I had enough trouble with getting the transcripts here. I gave then a telephone number, a fax number, and an e-mail address.
My University will now do "in person pickups", or the usual post 911 jingle jangle certified mail notorized crap. Notorized in Korea? Uhhh... In Pusan uhhh, uhh Yeosu,
The work study students at minimal wage, Barbie, Chad, Heather and gay Andy will look at the computer screen and say yes or no! Worse comes to worse Andy will breathless sigh "he be so bad."
I'm all for the phones. And I'll pay for it too.
I think the telephone calls are good! |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| So, does this apply only to people in Seoul, or do people in the suburbs (ie. those of us living in Bundang) need to report as well? |
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fidel
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: North Shore NZ
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| My advice is don't go unless you receive a letter asking you to go. I'm certainly not going to waste my time. |
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freewill
Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 1:12 am Post subject: Re: The Last Post |
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| Hanson wrote: |
| freewill wrote: |
1. I think it is very important that people write to their embassies and to newspapers in western countries, telling of the situation here with the Immigration Department.
2. I know that it seems a strange thing to want to make a big deal about. What is being demanded of us is only a mild inconvenience compared to a lot of stuff that happens in Korea. What I am upset about is that it is a NATIONAL statement of "distrust of white people". The people of Korea are publicly declaring that they do not like whites in their country, and they are letting us know this by publically humiliating us. This is a very different matter from the mundane racism that happens everywhere. This is a national policy statement about foreigners from countries with which Korea wants to trade.
3. If we accept this unquestioningly, we will have no right to complain about ANYTHING that Koreans do to us (not that I tried to complain before). This is the same kind of situation as the Jews in Nazi Germany before the Second World War. Sounds like an outrageous thing to say. It IS an outrageous situation. Why do situations like this occur? Because the people just say "Oh well, it's not as bad as..." Someone made a joke that we may be made to wear armbands with TESOL written on them. We don't need armbands, but we will be (and are) stopped and asked for our documentation. |
You're kidding, right?
1. Ok, if you think it is a big deal, then go ahead and write your letters.
2. A NATIONAL statement of "distrust of white people"? Don't you think you're going a little overboard here? A few bad apples have made this the situation that it is, both for immigration and the ESL industry in Korea. And, the 'publicly' part you write about makes it seem like it's in the papers and Koreans are all talking about ESL teachers. Quite an embellishment, me thinks.
3. OK, now, you're not going a little overboard, you've gone way over the top. Nazi Germany? The Jews? WTF are you talking about? Seriously. |
Not kidding. I'm wondering WTF you're thinking.
"A NATIONAL statement of "distrust of white people"? Don't you think you're going a little overboard here? "
I'm not going over anything. That's exactly what my letter says (It looks like a standard letter for the Chungbuk Province, but I guess it's vastly similar for the other provinces). I explained this bit carefully in my first post.
"A few bad apples have made this the situation that it is, both for immigration and the ESL industry in Korea. "
Now I have to say "WTF are you talking about!?"
This is very definitely not about the few bad apples. It is a fiat to all people from "white" countries to report to the Immigration Department. My letter says that I must report owing to Korean "society's distrust of white people". It cites as evidence 6 Canadians supposedly found with forged documents. I am supposed to see some relevance to me, because I am white. I do not. I have never even been to Canada. Try to imagine the situation the other way around. A few Chinese are found to be working illegally in Canada, so the the Canadian Immigration Department issues a fiat to all Asians to report. Before you try to ridicule me, give an answer to this.
"And, the 'publicly' part you write about makes it seem like it's in the papers and Koreans are all talking about ESL teachers. Quite an embellishment, me thinks."
There are no embellishments. It IS, or mostly has been, in the papers, on Korean TV, and on Daum.net, in the most spectacular fashions. I have plenty of articles, if you can read Korean. You can even find stuff in English, in papers like The Korean Times - Koreans even write here, in English, discussing the problems with whites in their country.
"OK, now, you're not going a little overboard, you've gone way over the top. Nazi Germany? The Jews? WTF are you talking about? Seriously."
Seriously - think about it. I did say clearly - "Sounds like an outrageous thing to say." But seriously, think about it. What do you think the Jews were talking about when they had to line up to get their Star of David (probably - "Let's meet for lunch while we're there.")? Why did nearly all go collect it? Why did they stay? Hindsight in 20/20.
What I'm suggesting isn't at all overboard. Write a letter to a newspaper back home. Less than 200 words - far fewer than the number you write here each week. Just tell the situation - let others make of it as they will.
"Ok, if you think it is a big deal, then go ahead and write your letters."
Quite rude. What is a big deal for you? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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& whats with all this talk of english "camps"?
We're doomed, I tell you, doomed! |
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Dysupes
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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I haven't received the letter yet and I don't know what I would do if I did receive it. My fiancee and I will be doing the paperwork on our marriage this month anyway (and I hope to get the F2 visa paperwork done essentially the very next day) and so I'm wondering if I should even bother worrying about this. Neither of my co-workers here in Changwon have heard anything about this however our co-worker in Jangyu has had to go to Busan to the immi office and hand over his forms. The really funny thing is that I don't even have my original degree here, I only have notarized copies with transcripts. If I did have to go, I hope those would be good enough!  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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This Confirmation of Degree is required for all E2 English teachers in Korea. It is not being sent out only to "suspicious" teachers, although they may have a few they are especially interested in. However, notification is being sent out a little at a time, area by area. Where I live, every E2 is being notified city by city.
The various immigration offices are still learning what is required, so this may change over time, but we only had to fill out the form and didn't have to show them any documents. Of course, the woman at immigration didn't even know what we should put on the form and had to look on the immigration web site to find out. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't received the letter yet and I don't know what I would do if I did receive it. My fiancee and I will be doing the paperwork on our marriage this month anyway (and I hope to get the F2 visa paperwork done essentially the very next day) and so I'm wondering if I should even bother worrying about this. Neither of my co-workers here in Changwon have heard anything about this however our co-worker in Jangyu has had to go to Busan to the immi office and hand over his forms. The really funny thing is that I don't even have my original degree here, I only have notarized copies with transcripts. If I did have to go, I hope those would be good enough! |
It is being done region by region with Seoul and Busan being first...our time will come  |
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freewill
Joined: 10 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
& whats with all this talk of english "camps"?
We're doomed, I tell you, doomed! |
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Dysupes
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Just Because,
Man, I hope I'm already married by the time it comes in the mail. It would be great to be just in the process of getting my F2-1 or having already gotten it so that I wouldn't have to go all the way to Masan twice in about a month. That would totally suck if I did....  |
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sheeon
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Just Because,
Man, I hope I'm already married by the time it comes in the mail. It would be great to be just in the process of getting my F2-1 or having already gotten it so that I wouldn't have to go all the way to Masan twice in about a month. That would totally suck if I did.... |
Ah, you still need to show them the original copies even with an F2-1, called the Masan Immi, up the other day. |
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deessell
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:00 am Post subject: |
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I was informed today that I have to go in person, with my degree and my ARC to Incheon Immigration Office.
I don't mind, it's a couple of hours out of school and I get paid and extra 10,000 for travelling expenses. |
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Dysupes
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Sheeon,
Not that I don't believe you but I can't see how that tracks. This is a specifically E2 Visa deal and an F2-1 Visa is for spouses. What would it matter if I had a degree for that visa since the only requirement is to be married to a Korean? Seems kinda weird to me... I'll have to get my fiancee to check with them when she calls them tomorrow. Knowing immigration though, I have a suspicion that we might get a different answer than you did... At least, I hope so!  |
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