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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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Don't these people read the Koran? Don't they know it's all about loving your fellow man?
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Yes, they do. But they don't take it any more seriously than Judeo-Christians take the bit about 'turning the other cheek' or forgiving 'seven times seven'.
I'd take your point of view a lot more seriously if you lived up to the Christian rules half as much as you expect Moslems to live up to some of theirs. Or, alternatively, if you just admitted to being a bigot. |
Historian from the year 2438........
here we have a prime example of the intense denial of truth exhibited by early 21st century secular-humani-globalis-optimistia-colonia-mea-culpa groups which refused to stand for their own civilization's values, prefering to massage their own internalized collective guilt while worshipping "the other".
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| I never claimed to be a Christian. I am an atheist. |
But you can't be. You were born in the west and we are a Judeo-Christian society/culture. Therefore you believe every scrap of crap in the Bible. You believe in stoning the adulteresses and death to the homos as well as keeping slaves for 7 years. I know it's true because I read it in my Bible, with the words of JC written in red. Protest all you want that you don't buy all of it, but I don't care. I hold you accountable for every single word written in the big B. Whether you do or don't go to confession, you secretly believe the whole thing. I can tell. How? You have blue or green or maybe brown eyes. Therefore you are guilty. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| It is sad you resort to such infantile tactics when you have run out of reasoned arguments. I have noticed that it is something you do all too often. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Verne,
what ya-ta et al, don't seem to grasp is that while on our side (western, free thought/debate) there are idiots like ya-ta....
whereas on the islamo-facist side there are fatwas, jihadis murdering 1000's etc.......
yet they have this desperate need to find moral equivalancy........and in so doing..........contribute to the extension of the oppression in which so many are forced to live. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Historian from the year 2438........
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Your hood has slipped down over your eyes again, hasn't it?
All little kids see the world in terms of black and white, but somewhere around the age of 12 most kids begin to mature and begin to see the world as the complex thing it is. You two must have not heard the bell at the end of recess and missed that elementary lesson.
I can get my head around the idea of a hunter-gatherer who has seen about 54 people in his entire life being afraid of people in the next valley over. What's astounding is that the entire ex-pat experience has been wasted on you two. You may as well have stayed home in Mom and Dad's basement.
Is it that you can't think, or just that you are afraid of thinking? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Verne,
what ya-ta et al, don't seem to grasp is that while on our side (western, free thought/debate) there are idiots like ya-ta....
whereas on the islamo-facist side there are fatwas, jihadis murdering 1000's etc.......
yet they have this desperate need to find moral equivalancy........and in so doing..........contribute to the extension of the oppression in which so many are forced to live. |
Dude, bigverne is light years ahead of you when it comes to grasping how the world works. You still haven't figured out how to look at the world beyond the two-party system.
From what I've seen of your postings, of course. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: |
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It is sad you resort to such infantile tactics when you have run out of reasoned arguments. I have noticed that it is something you do all too often.
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I guess I should be sorry that my form of debate is above your head. But I'm not. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:18 am Post subject: |
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what ya-ta et al, don't seem to grasp
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Big V is better at this than you are. Maybe you should sit back and take a few lessons from him. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Verne,
what ya-ta et al, don't seem to grasp is that while on our side (western, free thought/debate) there are idiots like ya-ta....
whereas on the islamo-facist side there are fatwas, jihadis murdering 1000's etc.......
yet they have this desperate need to find moral equivalancy........and in so doing..........contribute to the extension of the oppression in which so many are forced to live. |
Dude, bigverne is light years ahead of you when it comes to grasping how the world works. You still haven't figured out how to look at the world beyond the two-party system.
From what I've seen of your postings, of course. |
Mith is a man of great wisdom. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess I should be sorry that my form of debate is above your head. |
Your moral equivalence and attempts to portray yourself as 'tolerant' at all costs are not 'above me', nor are they particularly worthy. They are the hallmarks of a man who interprets the world through a narrow ideological prism, where uncomfortable facts are ignored and discarded. You demonstrate this when you resort to the debating tactics you have shown on this thread and others. You are almost on a par with The Bobster, and that's not a compliment. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Ya ta's gotten wise to the concept that winning an argument depends little on the facts or truth of the debate, but the psychology of winding up your opponent.
You see it on here constantly. When the straw man blows away, out comes the baiting...personal insults, attention getting stupidities and insults.
regardless of the facts, you can win a debate on here by posting silly pictures or coming up with the wittiest insults. Thats what it comes down to. We are homo sapiens after all, and truth does not really interest us. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| What's astounding is that the entire ex-pat experience has been wasted on you two. |
A similar argument was advanced on another thread in regards to immigration. It went along the lines of 'how can you be against immigration when you are an expat?' Well, it was a silly argument, and so is the one that states that spending time abroad means that you must then be accepting and tolerant of every culture under the sun, no matter what values such cultures adhere to.
I am respectful and tolerant of cultures that deserve such respect. I enjoyed my time in Korea and I was largely respectful and tolerant of cultural differences. The inference that because people live abroad they must then accept your 'all cultures are equal' dogma is absurd, but I am not surprised to see you advancing such an argument.
Anyway, back on topic, some muslims in Indonesia seem to be misunderstanding Islam again, just a month after some muslims took the 'smite the necks of the infidels' a little too seriously.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=\ForeignBureaus\archive\200512\FOR20051202a.html
Approximately 30 Christian children fled in panic after a mob of Islamic militants raided and vandalized their Sunday school class, which was being held in a private home last weekend in Curug, Indonesia, according to a Christian group called Voice of the Martyrs
Julian Dobbs, New Zealand director of the humanitarian group, Barnabas Fund, returned this week from meeting with the families of the beheaded schoolgirls. Dobbs said that government officials and other leaders are "terrified by the more radical elements of Islam," resulting in persecution of Christians going unreported and unnoticed by western governments and much of the public. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Ignore Yata; he's one of those 60's bred and retread moral absolutists. Can't see any shades of gray through his own rose colored glasses.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39182 |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:32 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, that Onion article sums it up nicely. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Thanks for providing the link. I did a google on what you posted and the Stormfront site I showed was No. 2 on the list at the time. Doesn't it seem worthwhile discussing that most of the people talking about this are white supremacists? Perhaps you'd rather not ...
I'm confused by the fact that you and bigverne don't see any component of racialism in this, despite the fact that the link you gave is very much about the fact that she is "white." Why else did you start this thread?
Is it not a fact that there is nothing significant about this particular suicide bomber except that she is "white," that is, that she was born to a family of European heritage and converted to Islam? She is not the first white human being to convert and take up arms, just the first woman. Isn't it also true that the whole notion that this needs to be discussed in any way merely a factor, not only of a fear of other "races" - clue to you and the European media : Islam is not a race, and the majority of people who pray to Allah are "white" - but also indicative of sexism as well?
There is nothing new about this woman that was not new when John Walker, the "American Taliban" was arrested. Only the fact that she is a woman. Why do you wish to think it is extraordinary for a woman to attain a new belief system and then die for it? |
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