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PolyChronic Time Girl

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Location: Korea Exited
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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***Now, my rant here deals with all convicted murders that have admitted guilt or have been caught in the act or just have such stronge forensic evidence against them... they should be executed.
You guys are all saying how "uncivilized" it is to do the death penalty, but let me ask you this: were the killers "civilized" when they dragged an innocent 6-year-old girl to the woods, raped her, and hacked off all her body parts? Why should we treat scum of the earth civilized? Not every human being should be on this planet. Plus, it costs taxpayers much more money to keep them in prison, when the easiest, most cost-effective solution would be just to get rid of them. I actually think electrocuting them is too civilized for them...they get to die within a few seconds, unlike the hours of horror their victims encountered before their throats were choked/slit.
Personally, if I were the relative of a slain family member, I would insist that I flip the switch. |
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merlot

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Location: I tried to contain myself but I escaped.
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| PolyChronic Time Girl wrote: |
| Why should we treat scum of the earth civilized? Not every human being should be on this planet. |
I'm with you. As a matter of fact why not just give the cops the authority to execute people on the spot (as long as they are absolutely sure the person is scum). And about all this American constitution mumbo jumbo--how can anyone possibly construe that strapping someone down and injecting them with poison is "cruel and unusual punishment." I mean COME ON!!! |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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PolyChronicTimeGirl, you speak as if the system is infallible, when even pro-death penalty advocates ADMIT that a system could not guarrantee that innocent people would not be killed.
| PolyChronic Time Girl wrote: |
| ***Now, my rant here deals with all convicted murders that have admitted guilt |
The real monsters don't admit guilt and more to the point... Haven't innocent people confessed to save a loved one? (or do you think they deserve to die then, their fault?)
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| ...or just have such stronge forensic evidence against them... |
A LOT of honest mistakes have been made in forensic science, not to mention the dishonest ones and frame ups.
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| they should be executed |
You want your government killing people as a set policy, but ONLY the guilty ones? Impossible. |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| PolyChronic Time Girl wrote: |
| ... Plus, it costs taxpayers much more money to keep them in prison, when the easiest, most cost-effective solution would be just to get rid of them. ... |
Actually, the death penalty is not a cost effective way of dealing with captal crimes.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7
I'm not saying that it should never be imposed, though, and I agree that it is the poor and minorities that it's imposed on. It's a tough call and often there aren't blacks and whites about the situations. I'm uncomfortable with the death penalty, but I'm uncomfortable with the absolutist no death penalty opinion, too.
It's very easy to sit on your throne and be sure that you have all the answers. The death penalty supporters are as naive as the death penalty is terrible supporters. Just like the Christian who says, 'Turn, or burn', the-it's-my-way-or-the-highway people preaching irritate and bore me.
And I do see the irony of my judgemental 'tude. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Too much sympathy for the criminals and too little sympathy for the victims.
Smuggling heroin....where does it go? Does it end up in a schoolyard? In someones home where their kids pay the price for thier habit? He was stupid, he got caught, he died. If you are going to smuggle drugs find a country without death penalties to do it in....if you do and get caught dont go crying to mom, cause they wont let you hug her!
Murderers who confess and where there is suffient evidence to support their confession...crispy fried within a week. Thats justice. Letting them sit on death row for years...thats just cruel.
Who deserves a second chance? How about the family of the victim. Donte they deserve a chance to have a brother, sister, mother, father, grandfather.......etc?
Death penalties may or may not be a deterrent but you can be damn sure that the criminal will never re-offend! |
so we should hung people on grounds that MAYBE that herion might end up in hands of children? MAYBE!! wow yes lets kill people on speculation.
the family of the victim??? in this case who would that be?
this guy didnt hurt anyone!! he brought herion to sell.. he is not forcing it on anyone. he is selling it to someone that wants it.. you dont want it..
dont buy it!!!
but killing someone for carrying it out of the country.. thats strupid!
I mean I dont get one thing also.. why does singapore care that he carries drugs out of the country anyway! they should just notify the Australian government and have him picked up in Australia.. he is not hurting anyone in singapore.. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005 Location: $eoul
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:46 am Post subject: |
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It's the same in Thailand, IG.
Smuggle heroin out of the country and you're looking at the death penalty or 40-odd years in a Thai prison. It's bizarre if you ask me. Bringing drugs into the country I could understand but quite why it's deemed necessary to execute folks taking stuff out of the country I'm not sure - perhaps someone can explain.
You've gotta be pretty stupid to try and smuggle H out of Singapore, however (assuming it wasn't planted on him by unscrupulous smugglers - ever seen 'Bangkok Hilton'?). When you land at Singapore, a big sign says "death penalty to all drug smugglers". He took the risk, paid the price. I feel for him and his mother because, IMHO, there are far worse crimes in the world, but he's been the master of his downfall there. 15 ounces of H is a lot - I'd be surprised if it were for his own personal use. |
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Reflections
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Actually Grotto, if you were referring to the Singaporean case and I think you were, then you obviously don't have the full facts.
Just on CNN last nite, there was a Singaporean minister with major allegations that the Singapore governement has been doing deals with Burmese drug lords. The story seems very credible. So, they are executing little guys like the Australian and letting go the big fish who are getting dope into Singapore.
Hypocrisy at its highest point. Check it out> |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:45 am Post subject: |
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The story seems very credible. So, they are executing little guys like the Australian and letting go the big fish who are getting dope into Singapore.
Hypocrisy at its highest point. Check it out> |
EXACTLY!!! thats what I am saying too.. *beep* ING HYPROCRITS!!! |
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Deconstructor

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Executing members of a given society tells me the following: that the executioners are terrified of the members or their own society. Execution of a human being demonstrates utter and absolute mediocrity at work, profound lack of imagination and downright stupidity in infinite abundance.
I guess I should scrap my plans of going to Singapore where I was thinking of pissing on a sidewalk with a Hustler magazine under my arm, a chewing gum in my mouth and a sign hanging around my neck saying: Singapore is a nation of morons. |
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Every man's death diminishes me.
Why?
Because I am involved in mankind.
Humanity is an abstraction. The human race is an idea too big for us to adequately comprehend.
The individual human being, as representative of the entire race, the entire species, the only truly intelligent lifeform we know of, is in a very real sense all that we have.
Capital punishment is thus a catastrophe. It makes no more sense than suicide.
I felt sick all day yesterday. While I sat and enjoyed an omelette breakfast, my fellow human being was blindfolded, roped, and destroyed. His spinal cord was snapped. He died for nothing.
I can't understand how anyone cannot be moved to feelings of pity and disgust and horror and dismay at the mere thought of it.
Twenty-five years old. His crime? Possession of an extract of the poppy flower. 400 grams. A plant made by God, given for the benefit of the sick and the suffering.
Can you imagine the psychological torment of knowing that you are scheduled to die a violent death tomorrow morning?
And knowing that society approves it.
You will be shown no mercy. Your neck will be snapped, you will die horrifically and brutally. You will never eat or drink or love again.
I suggest that we boycott Singapore. I will NEVER visit there, nor will I EVER AGAIN fly Singapore Air. I mean that very, very seriously too. I have a long memory. Singapore is out. A horrible, wicked, evil country which is guilty of nothing less than premeditated murder, the willful destruction of a human being on grounds which make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Imagine a criminal mass-murdering psycopath who has somehow managed to acquire a small island, has run up a silly little flag with a few stars on it, proclaimed himself sovereign, and then set about murdering people in cold blood under the color of law. It's sick. It's demented. It makes me question everything. How can we have gone so wrong as a species that there even IS a Singapore in this world?
As for America, well, I left for many reasons. Brutality in the criminal "justice" system being one of them. I'm not going back.
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Deconstructor

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Bee Positive wrote: |
Every man's death diminishes me.
Why?
Because I am involved in mankind.
Humanity is an abstraction. The human race is an idea too big for us to adequately comprehend.
The individual human being, as representative of the entire race, the entire species, the only truly intelligent lifeform we know of, is in a very real sense all that we have.
Capital punishment is thus a catastrophe. It makes no more sense than suicide.
I felt sick all day yesterday. While I sat and enjoyed an omelette breakfast, my fellow human being was blindfolded, roped, and destroyed. His spinal cord was snapped. He died for nothing.
I can't understand how anyone cannot be moved to feelings of pity and disgust and horror and dismay at the mere thought of it.
Twenty-five years old. His crime? Possession of an extract of the poppy flower. 400 grams. A plant made by God, given for the benefit of the sick and the suffering.
Can you imagine the psychological torment of knowing that you are scheduled to die a violent death tomorrow morning?
And knowing that society approves it.
You will be shown no mercy. Your neck will be snapped, you will die horrifically and brutally. You will never eat or drink or love again.
I suggest that we boycott Singapore. I will NEVER visit there, nor will I EVER AGAIN fly Singapore Air. I mean that very, very seriously too. I have a long memory. Singapore is out. A horrible, wicked, evil country which is guilty of nothing less than premeditated murder, the willful destruction of a human being on grounds which make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Imagine a criminal mass-murdering psycopath who has somehow managed to acquire a small island, has run up a silly little flag with a few stars on it, proclaimed himself sovereign, and then set about murdering people in cold blood under the color of law. It's sick. It's demented. It makes me question everything. How can we have gone so wrong as a species that there even IS a Singapore in this world?
As for America, well, I left for many reasons. Brutality in the criminal "justice" system being one of them. I'm not going back.
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I whole heatedly agree. We have a long way to go as a race before we can learn to respect ourselves. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Singapore is the place where BUBBLE GUM was banned until recently because it was unsightly. I wonder what kind of sentence was handed out to violators of that draconian law. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| Singapore is the place where BUBBLE GUM was banned until recently because it was unsightly. I wonder what kind of sentence was handed out to violators of that draconian law. |
What's not so well known is that Singapore authorities had a major campaign before banning the gum, as it was litter all over the place-they placed cameras in certain spots to discourage it-but users placed the gum on the cameras!
If buddy didn't want to get hanged, he should not have committed a capital crime-better luck next time! |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I heard you actually need a license to chew gum.
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| I suggest that we boycott Singapore. I will NEVER visit there, nor will I EVER AGAIN fly Singapore Air. I mean that very, very seriously too. I have a long memory. Singapore is out. A horrible, wicked, evil country which is guilty of nothing less than premeditated murder, the willful destruction of a human being on grounds which make absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
I wonder you reconcile your position on Singapore with your position on North Korea:
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| If you care about North Korea, I suggest that you lobby your government to establish full diplomatic relations (if it doesn't already have them) and open the doors to trade. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Any country that wants to call itself civilised shouldn't cave in to the more base aspects of human nature like revenge under the guise of being "state-sanctioned". Brutality met with more brutality changes nothing except to debase, in the worst way, the higher office of supposedly enlightened individuals who have sanctioned it. Very shameful stuff, especially when innocent people are wrongly put to death.
The death penalty is a barbaric, knee-jerk reaction of the unenlightened.....and the reality in this country is, as one ex-prison warden in Alabama put it: "the death penalty is a privelege of the poor." |
I agree completely. I do believe the U.S. is the only western country to still execute people. sad and embarassing.  |
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