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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| What's not so well known is that Singapore authorities had a major campaign before banning the gum, as it was litter all over the place-they placed cameras in certain spots to discourage it-but users placed the gum on the cameras! |
So what? Throw people into jail for chewing gum rather than for littering?
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| If buddy didn't want to get hanged, he should not have committed a capital crime-better luck next time! |
You are so right wing these days TMKTM! |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| What's not so well known is that Singapore authorities had a major campaign before banning the gum, as it was litter all over the place-they placed cameras in certain spots to discourage it-but users placed the gum on the cameras! |
So what? Throw people into jail for chewing gum rather than for littering?
| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| If buddy didn't want to get hanged, he should not have committed a capital crime-better luck next time! |
You are so right wing these days TMKTM! |
Actually I'm pretty ambivalent about Capital Punishment overall-I'm reluctantly against it-however, hubris by this drug smuggler messing around in Singapore-it's not tragic, it's funny. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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One of the most macabre and twisted capital punishment stories I ever heard was of a guy on death row who was depressed and trying to kill himself. Prison officials got to him in time and saved his life (!!!), and then put him on a suicide watch so they could kill him on the day the state had chosen instead.
Give us your poor, your weak, your hungry..... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I do believe the U.S. is the only western country to still execute people. |
I'm curious if anyone has any statistics on how many are executed by the federal government as compared to the individual states. My state hasn't executed anyone in about 40 years.
VanIslander made a very good point early on on this thread. He said China executes 3,000 a year. Since capital punishment is such an awful thing, why aren't there threads about it triggered by what happens in China? You are missing an average of 8.2 opportunities A DAY to express your moral indignation. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The federal gov't. rarely executes anyone. I think Timothy McVeigh had been the first since the Kennedy administration. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| VanIslander made a very good point early on on this thread. He said China executes 3,000 a year. Since capital punishment is such an awful thing, why aren't there threads about it triggered by what happens in China? You are missing an average of 8.2 opportunities A DAY to express your moral indignation. |
Executions in 2004:
1 People's Republic of China 3,400+
2 Iran 159+
3 Vietnam 64+
4 USA 59
5 Saudi Arabia 33+
6 Pakistan 15+
7 Kuwait 9+
8 Bangladesh 7+
9 Egypt 6+
10 Singapore 6+
The '+' indicates that there may be more, but this amount is the assured minimum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
I'm sure North Korea would be up there if there were ANY records. The USA stands out on that list of anti-democratic dictatorships: Communist and hardline Islamic states and kingdoms. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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That is the one that surprises me. It looks to me like the number of executions per capita is high. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Notice any other western countries on that list?  |
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gypsyfish
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Notice any other western countries on that list? |
Your point being that western countries are more enlightened, smarter, or better than non-western ones? |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| I do believe the U.S. is the only western country to still execute people. |
I'm curious if anyone has any statistics on how many are executed by the federal government as compared to the individual states. My state hasn't executed anyone in about 40 years.
VanIslander made a very good point early on on this thread. He said China executes 3,000 a year. Since capital punishment is such an awful thing, why aren't there threads about it triggered by what happens in China? You are missing an average of 8.2 opportunities A DAY to express your moral indignation. |
That old charmer, Rudolph Hucker in the other place, posted this ...
Only 3 for the US government in 29 years.
US EXECUTIONS SINCE 1976
Texas - 355
Virginia - 94
Oklahoma - 79
Missouri - 66
Florida - 60
Georgia - 39
North Carolina - 38
South Carolina, Alabama - 34 each
Louisiana, Arkansas - 27 each
Arizona - 22
Ohio - 19
Indiana - 16
Delaware - 14
Illinois - 12
Nevada, California - 11 each
Mississippi, Utah - 6 each
Maryland, Washington - 4 each
Nebraska, Pennsylvania - 3 each
Kentucky, Montana, Oregon - 2 each
Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, New Mexico, Tennessee, Wyoming - 1 each
[color=darkred]US government - 3 [/color]
Source: US Death Penalty Information Center |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
| Notice any other western countries on that list? |
Your point being that western countries are more enlightened, smarter, or better than non-western ones? |
No, I think her point was that amongst all those well-known bastions of human rights dwells The Greatest Democracy In The World---shining beacon of hope for the under-developed nations of this planet |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsyfish wrote: |
| desultude wrote: |
| Notice any other western countries on that list? |
Your point being that western countries are more enlightened, smarter, or better than non-western ones? |
That's a valid point. No, in general I don't believe this. But I do think that most Americans believe this.
Actually, my point is that you will probably find a high correlation between those who think execution is a good idea, and those who also believe that the west is superior. Search their posts, and you may see what I mean. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| canuckistan wrote: |
| gypsyfish wrote: |
| desultude wrote: |
| Notice any other western countries on that list? |
Your point being that western countries are more enlightened, smarter, or better than non-western ones? |
No, I think her point was that amongst all those well-known bastions of human rights dwells The Greatest Democracy In The World---shining beacon of hope for the under-developed nations of this planet |
Thank you.
You expressed that part much better than I.  |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/
This is an interesting site. Non-capital-punishment states seem to have lower murder rates, on average, and those that use it a lot tend to have the highest murder rates. It probably has more to do with gun control and gun ownership rates, actually. It's interesting that the pro-death and pro-gun camps often are made up of the same people. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Every man's death diminishes me.
Why?
Because I am involved in mankind.
Humanity is an abstraction. The human race is an idea too big for us to adequately comprehend.
The individual human being, as representative of the entire race, the entire species, the only truly intelligent lifeform we know of, is in a very real sense all that we have.
Capital punishment is thus a catastrophe. It makes no more sense than suicide.
I felt sick all day yesterday. While I sat and enjoyed an omelette breakfast, my fellow human being was blindfolded, roped, and destroyed. His spinal cord was snapped. He died for nothing.
I can't understand how anyone cannot be moved to feelings of pity and disgust and horror and dismay at the mere thought of it.
Twenty-five years old. His crime? Possession of an extract of the poppy flower. 400 grams. A plant made by God, given for the benefit of the sick and the suffering.
Can you imagine the psychological torment of knowing that you are scheduled to die a violent death tomorrow morning?
And knowing that society approves it.
You will be shown no mercy. Your neck will be snapped, you will die horrifically and brutally. You will never eat or drink or love again.
I suggest that we boycott Singapore. I will NEVER visit there, nor will I EVER AGAIN fly Singapore Air. I mean that very, very seriously too. I have a long memory. Singapore is out. A horrible, wicked, evil country which is guilty of nothing less than premeditated murder, the willful destruction of a human being on grounds which make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Imagine a criminal mass-murdering psycopath who has somehow managed to acquire a small island, has run up a silly little flag with a few stars on it, proclaimed himself sovereign, and then set about murdering people in cold blood under the color of law. It's sick. It's demented. It makes me question everything. How can we have gone so wrong as a species that there even IS a Singapore in this world?
As for America, well, I left for many reasons. Brutality in the criminal "justice" system being one of them. I'm not going back.
BEE POSITIVE |
I enjoy your posts, BP, but this sadly is utter nonsense.
You wish to enjoy retribution on Singapore yet you condemn Singapore for exacting retribution on a drug smuggler in a way they deem fit? You should be able to understand the rationale behind execution as you have a good grasp of moral superiority and thirst to punish those things you find reprehensible.
Horrible, wicked, evil country? Language like this undermines the entire liberal argument. Horrible Singapore for executing a junkie who was stupid enough to do what he did, fully aware of the consequences if caught? For heaven's sake.
My take on execution generally: feed the world's hungry with soup made from the meat of loathsome people. Kill two birds with one stone - get rid of our scum and get rid of famine.
Chewing gum and litter are ghastly. Singapore has some excellent ideas and is a beautiful, civilized, peaceful, safe city-state. |
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