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magicwolfman
Joined: 01 Sep 2005
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| A teacher is only as good as his tools. Unfortunately teachers are now denied the most efficent one in the box, a big stick. |
I have a big tool, does that make me a great teacher? |
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indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: The Shelf
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Replace "have" with "am" and you're getting warmer. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna try the coin in the jar idea...every 5 minutes of full class behaviour.
Today I will keep my standards QUITE high and sufficiently explain why they WOULDn't get a token.
I'm hoping they get to a game today but if they don't, well, dumb it down even more.
And i'm DEFINATELY rearranging those seats. Forget about dealing with the whining and challenging, it HAS to be done.
Frankly though fellas i don't see the "cultural clash" that other see. Explain.
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| HOWEVER, I would thin twice about "dumbing down" a class to meet the mediocre middle. |
I am NOT dumbing down content as even the WORST behaved student can STILL basically accomplish (or understand) the same things that the mediocre to high students can do.
I may (temporarily) lower my behavioural expectation and then bring them up.
I understand that it's easier to start high and ease it down. I've just realized that I'm not good at "Easing down" and much better at "crashing down".
One last problem is that it's difficult to group the kids TOO rigidly into the "Slacker" catagory cause there is REALLY only one kid who fits it well:
One of the lower level boys fits it (though he's intelligent enough). another lower level boy is NOt a slacker but has serious behaviour problems and self control issues it seems. Depending on the latter's situation, he can/will/might study. The former? Nothing doing regardless of situation.
I'm also going to take the former and put him at the front of the row until he can prove that he can work by himself.
One thing IS for sure, I don't seem myself putting TOO much more effort into getting this one dude to learn.
Wish me luck. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Hobophobic

Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| magicwolfman wrote: |
| rapier wrote: |
| A teacher is only as good as his tools. Unfortunately teachers are now denied the most efficent one in the box, a big stick. |
I have a big tool, does that make me a great teacher? |
indytrucks
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| Replace "have" with "am" and you're getting warmer. |
teehehehehehe... I just spit up coffee on the keyboard. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| then the little jerks complain that they don't play any GAMES. |
What about this:
Get a clear platic jar and four tokens. Post a list of about 5 clear rules in English and Korean: no sleeping, no Korean, no hitting....whatever the most serious misbehaviors are.
At the end of each 10 minutes of cooperation, drop in 1 token, or explain that Jae Min was screwing around. If the class gets 4 tokens they get a game. The alternative is a worksheet or other regular activity. IOW, try to turn the class against Jae Min when he doesn't cooperate. Group pressure can work sometimes where authority figures fail. |
I've done that before. When a kid was being really bad I made all the other students except him go and stand against the wall for a minute. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:01 am Post subject: |
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to resurrect this but something else happenned in this class today.
I was using this method with another class that i was having a bit of trouble with. I decided to attack it from a different direction; in a way that I felt more comfortable with and that I would not slack off doing.
I have a prize. This week in particular it's pretty sweet. NEXT time, i'm going to chill it out a bit but basically, they're doing it for a snack.
It's a +/- system.
BUT, a bit different.
I say they have to have +10 for their snack.
BUT I have them start at +15. That way if they don't get a snack, there is NO WAY that they could possibily blame me for anything (a delicious habit they can't let go).
We FINALLY have a "no korean" rule in that class. It sounds like pretty standard fair for most people here but the fact is that the korean teachers at our school teach with very little english and the kids for the most part, aren't pushed into a "no korean" environment (there are also a couple of VERY low level students).
ANYTIME they speak ANY korean that I hear, they get minus. At the end of the class, I give them up to 3+ dependin on how well they behave, work, and listen. When class starts I write out the standards for +3, +2, and +1.
The great thing about that is it's all subject to my judgement which gives me the illusion (:lol: ) of control. Sounds bad but really, just cause a kid gets 3-, doesn't mean he shouldn't get 3+: He can behave perfectly, work hard and listen well and just speak korean to his friends three times.
Most of the class is able to accomplish this EASILY.
The GREAT, and incredibly interesting thing that happenned, was that one of the two terror boys turned out to be great: working quite hard for the prize (a bit to my surprise).
The boy who CAN work well, spoke korean twice right off the bat...i even gave him one warning. Then he just shut up and worked very minimally the rest of the class. Pouting a little but mostly just content to not really do anything. So, in the end, he got no plus but (after the initial spurt) no more minus either.
I just assumed he was angry/sulking UNTIL i asked one of the girls in the class who let me in on it...
SHE said that Jae Min "not want plus because he wants korean and he wants to be loud crazy sounds". Made me wonder, what was this kid's expectations of what was permissible in class before?
I mean, speaking korean, sure, i can understand that but he was also one of these boys who made random screamy/yelly/bleyahoijr type sounds for no reason.
The class went perfectly. I was happy. I HOPE that I DO get to spend the money on this class. I hope they continue to be the GREAT students that they are. I hope that I don't Fu*($ everything up!!! :shock: :lol: :cry: |
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