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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Well then, I suppose I should attempt to feel more sympathy towards the perpetrator of a premeditated hit on an informant and his girlfriend seeing as the poor perpetrator was an American of all things, to say nothing of the abject poverty that forced him to commit premeditated murder...but I think I'll stop here as it's clear our sympathies lie in different directions on this issue. |
Oh, now you're putting words in my mouth. I would never use the socio-economic class of a convict as an excuse to his crimes, although it can provide some insight on the motives. My whole point was that there is a correlation between socio-economic class and sentencing, which leads to innocent people being convicted of crimes they didn't commit and to criminals getting more severe sentences. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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While i'm no fan of heroin, i say BOYCOTT regimes that support grotesque police-state policies such as Singapore. Remember kids, the greatest VOTE we have is with our dollars.
Does the sentence fit the crime? It's a question of values really.
Sentencing people to death for "illegal" "drug" possession is down right evil. I wonder how prominent the global pharmacrats are in Singapore?  |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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How hard is it to understand? DO NOT DO DRUGS IN SINGAPORE. DO NOT BRING DRUGS INTO SINGAPORE.
Am I supposed to have sympathy for someone that does try to bring drugs into that place? Everyone in the world knows that they will kill you if you do it!
And, if you think that "it's just wrong to kill someone for smuggling drugs," get over it. That's the way it is there. You don't have to visit or live there, and the people that do visit or live there have to live by those rules or they can change them. Does Singapore have the crippling drug problems that the West has? Care to take a guess why? |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| seeing as the poor perpetrator was an American of all things |
What does nationality have to do with it? |
Absoutely nothing, which was my point. I thought the facetious tone of my response was obvious, seeing as Hollywoodaction had previously made it a point that the murderer was an American as if that had any bearing on the heinousness of the crime or the economic status of the killer.
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| Oh, now you're putting words in my mouth. I would never use the socio-economic class of a convict as an excuse to his crimes, although it can provide some insight on the motives. My whole point was that there is a correlation between socio-economic class and sentencing, which leads to innocent people being convicted of crimes they didn't commit and to criminals getting more severe sentences. |
Well, you did give me some ammunition when you continuously tried to connect socio-economic class with the case a mob hit (I still don't see a connection at all); however, I do see where you are going with class and sentencing. Nevertheless, if the death penalty kicks in with 1st degree murder I don't see how sentencing can diverge--in fact there are even fewer options for the judge to choose. But you seem to be talking about sentencing and convicting at the same time--surely innocent people don't even reach the sentencing stage unless you argue their conviction itself is the issue.
If that is the case and if convictions are the issue then it's a matter of those who are well off getting a better legal team arguing the case in front of them, something that is unavoidable in our society when lawyers have the freedom to set costs and choose clients. The poor do get represented even if it's by legal aid (and I doubt legal aid is used in murder cases), but they don't get the same people the rich get. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I thought the sarcastic tone of my response was obvious |
I think a lot of us think this, when it is often not obvious. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| Cthulhu wrote: |
Well, you did give me some ammunition when you continuously tried to connect socio-economic class with the case a mob hit (I still don't see a connection at all); however, I do see where you are going with class and sentencing. Nevertheless, if the death penalty kicks in with 1st degree murder I don't see how sentencing can diverge--in fact there are even fewer options for the judge to choose. But you seem to be talking about sentencing and convicting at the same time--surely innocent people don't even reach the sentencing stage unless you argue their conviction itself is the issue. |
And yet Guy Paul Morin, David Milgard, and Donald Marshall spent years in prison and Wilbert Coffin is dead.
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If that is the case and if convictions are the issue then it's a matter of those who are well off getting a better legal team arguing the case in front of them, something that is unavoidable in our society when lawyers have the freedom to set costs and choose clients. The poor do get represented even if it's by legal aid (and I doubt legal aid is used in murder cases), but they don't get the same people the rich get. |
True, look at O.J. ("searching for the murderer one golf course at a time", Jay Leno)
It appears you recognize that poverty increases the chances of one being convincted...possibly for a crime they didn't commit. As I was saying, the likelyhood that additional people would be sentenced to death for crimes they didn't commit was more than ample reason to have abolished capital punishment. |
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