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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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 Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject: Streetfight in Shinchon |
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I stayed home last weekend, but a group of foreign punks I know who were at Skunk Hell got into a serious conflict late Saturday. They were around that park in Shinchon when they saw about a dozen Koreans starting some sort of fight.
One guy was knocked down, hitting his head, and they started to beat him. One guy kept kicking him in the head/neck. It was getting pretty fierce, so my friends jumped in and pulled them off the unconscious guy.
They tried to phone the police, but the fight kept going.
Finally the assailants ran away, the victim was taken to the hospital, and the police showed up. Contrary to what you think, the police believed my friends' account of the events, even though they were pretty wasted.
Pretty messed up. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Kicking a guy when he's down, 5 guys on 1.. In the head as well, how courageous. A bit like punching a woman in the face.
My guess is that concepts like chivalry, honour, and bravery never made it into the culture of the East. "Pick on someone your own size", help the underdog" etc seem to be purely western concepts dating from medieval times. don't hit woman or pick on someone/something weaker than you. Ideas from the Knights templar I think.
These ideas have simply bypass4ed Asia. might is right here, and weakest person is wangta. |
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Alan_Partridge
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: in the posh part of town
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| To be fair, that kind of behaviour isn't exactly indicative of Asia. Many's the time I'd see some poor sap go down to a punch only for his head to be used as a trampoline...and all this usually took place somewhere in my home town centre sometime between last orders and the clubs kicking out. (Good times, good times) |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
Kicking a guy when he's down, 5 guys on 1.. In the head as well, how courageous. A bit like punching a woman in the face.
My guess is that concepts like chivalry, honour, and bravery never made it into the culture of the East. "Pick on someone your own size", help the underdog" etc seem to be purely western concepts dating from medieval times. don't hit woman or pick on someone/something weaker than you. Ideas from the Knights templar I think.
These ideas have simply bypass4ed Asia. might is right here, and weakest person is wangta. |
You lived in Belfast Rapier!
You must have seen many a poor fecker getting stomped on by drunken gangs around Shaftesbury Square on a Saturday night. I know I did.
Happens everywhere. Saftey in numbers. Cowards are fighters when they have enough back-up to be sure they won't get hurt. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I saw one of the best fights ever in Shinchon once. There was about 4 Korean guys against another 4 Korean guys.
The fight lasted about 45 minutes.. and I lived in a hasook at the time overlooking it all. So much blood, kicks, punches, and everything else you could imagine.
It took 45 minutes for the police to arrive.. and when they finally did.. surprisingly they didn't run away. I guess that was the surprising thing, no one gave up or went away throughout. A person would get knocked down, sit there bloody and out.. suddenly get back up.. run and kick another guy in the back.. repeat. Absolutely amazing to see first hand. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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There was another brutal beating a year or two ago, when six US soldiers jumped the bassist of Couch, so don't say it's only a Korean thing.
And the soldiers got what was coming to them. |
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cellphone
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Of course. I lived in Sinchon for 13 months straight. I would walk around every evening picking up my last meal and food, etc, or just for fun, before turning in late every night. Winter Summer or Fall I saw fights every single night. I was stared down by and attacked by a group one evening and had to hide in the back of a convenience store and wait for the police to come. Once the cops came, a foreigner was walking by. He told me the same kind of thing happened to him a few months before, but only he wasn't so lucky to have a place to hide and was hurt. Korea overall is a violent society. Violence and threats and intimidation are normally used to settle any differences. It's human animal kingdom.
Racetraitor, what's up with "foreign punks" and soldiers got what they have coming to them, and your name? Why is the word 'race' in your name? Are you against your own people? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Of course. I lived in Sinchon for 13 months straight. I would walk around every evening picking up my last meal and food, etc, or just for fun, before turning in late every night. Winter Summer or Fall I saw fights every single night. I was stared down by and attacked by a group one evening and had to hide in the back of a convenience store and wait for the police to come. Once the cops came, a foreigner was walking by. He told me the same kind of thing happened to him a few months before, but only he wasn't so lucky to have a place to hide and was hurt. Korea overall is a violent society. Violence and threats and intimidation are normally used to settle any differences. It's human animal kingdom.
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Strange. I lived in Hongdae for half a year and never had any problem.
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Racetraitor, what's up with "foreign punks" and soldiers got what they have coming to them, and your name? Why is the word 'race' in your name? Are you against your own people? |
The foreign punks are friends and probably saved that Korean guy's life.
The soldiers attacked a Korean friend of mine without provocation, and then were surprised to learn that in Korea, Koreans are not the minority. They got beaten by about 20 punks and skinheads until the riot police arrived and arrested them (but the Koreans got away).
I got my username from a skinhead back in Canada who was teasing me for being here. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| saw one of the best fights ever in Shinchon once. |
Hehehehehe....Have you ever made it out to Itaewon, the mecca for fighting? (just kidding)
Back in its "heydays", Itaewon had about 3 to 4 big fights a night, any given night, whether it be the weekend or the weekday. If you went to Itaewon, pre-fall 2001, you were guaranteed to either be in a fight or to see one.
The best part was to sit at the top of Hooker Hill (right in the middle of the road with a bottle in one hand) and glance on down the hill as everyone else acted like fools.
One time, I was hanging out at Polly's and I struck up a conversation with a contractor from on-base. Right out of nowhere some K-guys grabbed him and proceeded to beat the living daylights out of him. A Korean friend of mine help me seperate the guys (it turns out that the guy doing the kicking and punching thought the contractor was "eyeing" his k-girl, a skanky juicy type). Needless to say that after the fight, the K-guy bought everyone involved a beer to say he's sorry for the trouble- though the contractor walked away all messed up...
I miss those days, that was when Itaewon was lively and fun  . |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
Kicking a guy when he's down, 5 guys on 1.. In the head as well, how courageous. A bit like punching a woman in the face.
My guess is that concepts like chivalry, honour, and bravery never made it into the culture of the East. "Pick on someone your own size", help the underdog" etc seem to be purely western concepts dating from medieval times. don't hit woman or pick on someone/something weaker than you. Ideas from the Knights templar I think.
These ideas have simply bypass4ed Asia. might is right here, and weakest person is wangta. |
Dude, will you ever give it a rest? You live in Korea yet blast it all the time, for Christ's sake, start taking your medication more regularly. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| saw one of the best fights ever in Shinchon once. |
Hehehehehe....Have you ever made it out to Itaewon, the mecca for fighting? (just kidding) |
I saw a great fight in Itaewon a couple months ago. There were about 3 Central Asian guys fighting 3 Korean gangster type guys. Another great fight. They just came shooting out of that bar next to 7-11 and brought it right into the street around 2am. 15 minutes later, the cops came, and they kind of stood around scared to respond.. when it slowed down.. they sort of somewhat asked what happened there and that was about it.
Actually the best fights I've seen have been in Itaewon.. but the most interesting to me at the time was that one in Shinchon.
Incidently, I lived in Shinchon for a year, and it was the only fight I've ever seen there. I've seen quite a few in Itaewon though. |
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bobbyhanlon
Joined: 09 Nov 2003
Location: 서울
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:33 am Post subject: |
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by 'punks' he might be talking about punk music, given the references to skunk hell and the band couch (now famous for getting their tackle out on tv...but thats another story)
as for the fighting... i rarely go to hongdae/sinchon these days.. the vibe is so lousy.. so many idiots who want to start something, both korean and western. |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Korea overall is a violent society
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... what ?? just cause you see a couple of fights out on the town on a saturday night doesn't make korea a violent society.
I can't think of any western society that is as safe as Korea. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 2:54 am Post subject: |
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back home, i could count the number of fights i saw on one finger, one.
Maybe it's the hoods where i keep going or the hoods i hang out with but it seems that i rarely to never see fights, here or back home.
I'm content with that. I don't really get why people fight over looking at chicks or the odd snide remark.
Damn, fucking chill out people.
fights have always been just a bit beyon my frame of reference... |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:14 am Post subject: |
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back home, i could count the number of fights i saw on one finger, one.
Maybe it's the hoods where i keep going or the hoods i hang out with but it seems that i rarely to never see fights, here or back home.
I'm content with that. I don't really get why people fight over looking at chicks or the odd snide remark.
Damn, *beep* chill out people.
fights have always been just a bit beyon my frame of reference... |
Of course its retarded.
But guys have to fight eachother, because women select, and go home with winners.
You can have a group of guys getting along quite amicably until some skirt comes and sits down amongst them. Then suddenly the guys have to compete for her attention: first making jokes at eachothers expense, then fighting if that doesn't settle who is no.1.
The girl just sits there enjoying the ego boost, before then giving all her hormonal attention to the Neanderthal who wins any altercation.
Sad but true, women have a lot to answer for.. |
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