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sundubuman
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Bobster, you make this lovely creature above seem wise.
If you don't see it as significant fine. I do.
Do people like you visit some sort of Temple of Exposing Racism ????
If a black American, or a Korean-American convert to Islam did what this Belgian chick did, it would be news, not because of race, but because she was prepared to kill herself and others because of the WARPED and SICK value system she bought into.
But to idiotarians like yourself, she was simply an example of one who wishes to ' attain a new belief system and then die for it."
Fricking extraordinary. With folks like you blathering, it's no wonder the Islamists despise us and see us as weak and destined to fall. Thankfully, they underestimate the West's ability to babysit its more eager and impressionable idealists. |
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The Bobster
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| If you don't see it as significant fine. I do. |
Love to hear why you think the significance has nothing to do with bigotry, despite the fact that the headline mentions her skin color and the topic is very active on white supremacist php boards - ah, gosh, why is it you'd prefer not to address these salient aspects? Can't imagine why...
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| If a black American, or a Korean-American convert to Islam did what this Belgian chick did, it would be news, not because of race, but because she was prepared to kill herself and others because of the WARPED and SICK value system she bought into. |
Uh, no. It would be news because of the racial angle, the notion that the enemy is twisting the minds of our young against us. Or something. Again, I ask, what is the significance of this woman that is not present in any other suicide bomber? If a value system is warped and sick, then it's true regardless, no matter who it is who puts the belt on, man or woman, black white or purple.
She was a woman. And she was "white." That is all that is different. And there is no reasons besides these that you felt it was worth talking about.
Oh, and thanks for the personal insults. It's a good sign I'm on the right track when people pull those out without a moment's thought of saying anything else first ... toodles. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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[. Again, I ask, what is the significance of this woman that is not present in any other suicide bomber? If a value system is warped and sick, then it's true regardless, no matter who it is who puts the belt on, man or woman, black white or purple.
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The significance is that she was a citizen from the First World converting to a religion that is not particularly kind to women. One would hardly expect a Western "liberated" woman to convert to that kind of religion. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Verne,
what ya-ta et al, don't seem to grasp is that while on our side (western, free thought/debate) there are idiots like ya-ta....
whereas on the islamo-facist side there are fatwas, jihadis murdering 1000's etc.......
yet they have this desperate need to find moral equivalancy........and in so doing..........contribute to the extension of the oppression in which so many are forced to live. |
Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh?(sp)
There is no shortage of murderous fanatics on either side.
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The Bobster
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| [. Again, I ask, what is the significance of this woman that is not present in any other suicide bomber? If a value system is warped and sick, then it's true regardless, no matter who it is who puts the belt on, man or woman, black white or purple. |
The significance is that she was a citizen from the First World converting to a religion that is not particularly kind to women. One would hardly expect a Western "liberated" woman to convert to that kind of religion. |
Then it IS because she was a woman. Glad we cleared that up ...
Judeo-Xtian culture is also not very kind to women, by the way. Anyone care to speculate why she voluntarily chose to leave a culture she was born in and try to enter another that, as you say, "is not particularly kind?"
The answer might be that extremists create their own culture in the very act of rejecting the culture they have been given, as they see it as inadequate to their needs. Therefore, the question that might need to be asked is
"What is it about Western Culture that was inadequate to this woman, so much so that she rejected it so completely as she did?" |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
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Judeo-Xtian culture is also not very kind to women, by the way. Anyone care to speculate why she voluntarily chose to leave a culture she was born in and try to enter another that, as you say, "is not particularly kind?"
The answer might be that extremists create their own culture in the very act of rejecting the culture they have been given, as they see it as inadequate to their needs. Therefore, the question that might need to be asked is
"What is it about Western Culture that was inadequate to this woman, so much so that she rejected it so completely as she did?" |
What do you think, Bobster? Did she make the right choice? Anyway, I doubt she jumped ship because Judeo-Christian culture is "also not very kind to women". |
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bigverne
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| Ever hear of Timothy McVeigh? |
Yes, and even if we were to recognise him as a 'Christian extremist' (which is highly contentious), his example in no way compares to the Islamic Jihadists groups active in almost all muslim nations and many infidel ones with large muslim populations.
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Politically correct garbage. You can find few examples of Christian groups committed to terrorism. On the other hand, you can find numerous examples, just this very week of such Islamic groups willing to carry out such actions.
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| Love to hear why you think the significance has nothing to do with bigotry |
It does have nothing to do with bigotry. Just because her skin colour is an important aspect of the story (and it is) does not mean it is an example of 'bigotry'. It is a story because it is so unusual. There was a recent example of a woman in Jordan who tried to blow herself up with her husband. That became quite a big story because it was a couple trying to commit mass murder, and a woman was involved. This was even more unusual because it was a seemingly normal white Belgian girl who converted to Islam and then misunderstood the prophet's message of peace and blew herself up. Her skin colour is a factor in the case, but that does not mean it has anything to do with 'bigotry'.
However, I know that you must have your 'bigot' quota to fulfill for the day, so this was obviously an opportunity you couldn't pass up. By the way, thanks for admitting that muslims are not a race, although it would be wishful thinking to assume you would not be playing the race card every time the subject of Islam is discussed. |
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sundubuman
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Bobster....
please analyse the following for racial/cultural prejudice.....get back to us as soon as you've completed your revoultionary ouevre
Five held over Belgian suicide bomber
Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - Dec 1, 2005
Belgian police are holding five people in connection with a suicide attack by a Belgian woman in Baghdad. The woman, who has been ...
Woman suicide bomber targets US forces The Statesman
Belgium says France endangered terror raid International Herald Tribune
Belgian first white suicide bomber in Iraq Unison.ie
Austin American-Statesman (subscription) - Telegraph.co.uk - all 104 related »
Police detain 15 suspects in raids linked to Belgian suicide ...
Billings Gazette, USA - Nov 30, 2005
... 14 suspects during dawn raids aimed at dismantling a terrorist network that was sending volunteers to Iraq, including a Belgian female suicide bomber who ...
14 detained in raids linked to Belgian suicide bomber
Ireland Online, Ireland - Nov 30, 2005
Authorities detained 14 suspects today during dawn raids on homes of people connected to a Belgian female suicide bomber who struck in Iraq three weeks ago. ...
Family of Belgian suicide bomber raided
Expatica, Netherlands - Nov 30, 2005
... Police raided 10 premises in Brussels overnight in a suspected link to reports on Tuesday that a Belgian woman recently carried out a suicide bomb attack in ...
Female Belgian suicide bomber hit Baghdad
United Press International - Nov 29, 2005
... A woman who carried out a suicide attack in Iraq two weeks ago was identified Tuesday as the first European female suicide bomber. The Belgian anti-terrorism ...
Belgium detains 14 over links to suicide bomber
Xinhua, China - Nov 30, 2005
30 (Xinhuanet) -- Belgian police on Wednesday raided homes and detained 14 people suspected to have links with a Belgian suicide bomber in Iraq, local press ...
WORLD BRIEFS
Newsday, NY - Dec 2, 2005
... The Interior Ministry confirmed the killing but said polling had "unfolded in a smooth and peaceful manner.". BELGIAN SUICIDE BOMBER NAMED. ...
Belgium arrests 14 terror suspects
International Herald Tribune, France - Nov 30, 2005
... breaking up a terrorist network that the Belgian authorities said was planning attacks on US targets in Iraq and included a female Belgian suicide bomber who ...
Expatica - Belgian suicide bombers ��poised to depart for Iraq��
Judeoscope.ca, Canada - Dec 1, 2005
... who was arrested in Antwerp on Tuesday night in a large scale federal anti-terror sweep were poised to depart for Iraq to carry out a suicide attack, police ...
Belgian Police Arrest 14 in Suspected Terror Cell
New York Times, United States - Nov 30, 2005
... The police described the Belgian suicide bomber as a white woman who had converted to Islam after marrying a radical Muslim man of Moroccan origin. ...
New! Get the latest news on belgian suicide with Google Alerts.
Women of Al Qaeda
Newsweek - 12 hours ago
... Myriam—"couldn't have children," a spokesman for the Belgian prosecutor's office ... in Iraq announced that a woman had been among the suicide attackers there ...
Terrorists among the townsfolk in Belgium
Seattle Times, United States - 9 hours ago
... the man was overheard telling another radical in Milan that he and three friends were ready to carry out suicide attacks in Belgium. Belgian police responded ...
How a lost soldier's remains were found
Kansas.com, KS - 10 hours ago
... The book details an improbable alliance between Warnock, veterans of the 99th and a pair of Belgian battlefield relic hunters ... In 1938, he committed suicide. ...
CNN International Belgian paper IDs 'suicide bomber'
CNN International - Dec 1, 2005
... Belgian-born woman and convert to Islam, pictured and identified Thursday in a Belgian newspaper, was the first Western woman to carry out a suicide bombing in ...
Belgian woman in suicide bomb attack
United Press International - Nov 30, 2005
... officials learned of her after US troops in Iraq found the remains of a European woman at the site of a suicide attack, along with a Belgian passport. ...
Belgian woman in suicide bomb attack
Science Daily (press release) - Nov 30, 2005
... bomber targets recruiting site (September 28, 2005) -- A female suicide bomber killed ... trial of alleged terror group (August 30, 2005) -- A Belgian court has ...
Belgian woman carried out suicide bomb attack
European Jewish Press, Belgium - Dec 1, 2005
... in Brussels and other cities in the country early on Wednesday as part of an investigation into reports that a Belgian woman carried out a suicide bomb attack ...
Belgian Export: Suicide Bombers
Canada Free Press, Canada - Dec 1, 2005
... Massoud. He was killed by two suicide bombers carrying Belgian passports on 9 September 2001, two days before the 9/11 attacks. The ...
French 'judiciary leak' accelerated police raids
Expatica, Netherlands - Dec 1, 2005
BRUSSELS — The French media report over the Belgian suicide bomber prompted the accelerated Belgian anti-terror raids on Tuesday night, the nation's Justice ...
14 suspects held in raids linked to suicide bomber
Expatica, Netherlands - Nov 30, 2005
... A spokeswoman for the public prosecution office, Lieve Pellens, has confirmed that a Belgian national carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq. ...
New! Get the latest news on belgian suicide with Google Alerts.Belgium holds 5 suspects in suicide bomber case
Reuters AlertNet, UK - Dec 1, 2005
BRUSSELS, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Investigators probing a suicide bombing by a Belgian woman in Iraq are holding five people thought to be connected with her on ...
Western white woman is suicide bomber
Times Online, UK - Nov 30, 2005
... extraordinary tales of Islamic radicalisation, she is thought to be the first white Western woman to carry out a suicide bombing. Belgian investigators, who ...
Belgium police arrest 14, alleging link to Iraq suicide bombing
CBC News, Canada - Nov 30, 2005
Belgian police have arrested 14 people accused of belonging to an Islamic militant network that recruits suicide bombers, including a Belgian who blew herself ...
First white Western suicide bomber
Australian, Australia - Dec 1, 2005
She is thought to be the first white Western woman to carry out a suicide bombing. Belgian investigators, who arrested 14 people associated with her, are ...
Belgians seek to come to grips with fact that suicide bomber in ...
San Diego Union Tribune, United States - Dec 1, 2005
... SUR-SAMBRE, Belgium – Authorities have identified a woman who carried out a suicide attack against a US patrol in Iraq as a 38-year-old Belgian who had two ...
Belgium arrests 14 over links to suicide bomber
New Zealand Herald, New Zealand - Nov 30, 2005
... France arrested 15 people yesterday in a roundup of suspected Islamist militants believed to be linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide bombing in ...
Belgians net suspects in suicide attack
Pittsburgh Post Gazette, PA - Nov 30, 2005
... and detained 14 suspects with links to a terrorist network that sent volunteers to Iraq, including a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack on an ...
Female Belgian Bomber in Iraq Marks Grim First
Los Angeles Times, CA - Dec 1, 2005
... The suicide bombing north of Baghdad accelerated cooperation between US authorities and Belgian police, whose intercepts of phone conversations between ...
Belgium nabs 14 over links to female suicide bomber
Turkish Daily News (subscription), Turkey - Dec 1, 2005
Belgian police arrested 14 people on Wednesday suspected of links to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack near Baghdad earlier this month, a ...
Militants linked to woman suicide bomber held in raids
Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - Nov 30, 2005
... Her suicide mission targeted an American military convoy but she only succeeded in killing herself. US forces found a recent Belgian passport with her remains ...
Suspects' wives eye suicide bombings
Science Daily (press release) - Dec 1, 2005
Belgian woman in suicide bomb attack (November 30, 2005) -- A Belgian woman, who married a radical Muslim and later converted to Islam, allegedly carried out a ...
Belgium arrests 14 over links to suicide bomber
Almendhar, Iraq - Dec 1, 2005
9 on the outskirts of Baghdad in what security sources believe was the first suicide attack in Iraq involving a European woman. Belgian police arrested 14 ...
Expatica - 14 suspects held in raids linked to suicide bomber
Judeoscope.ca, Canada - Dec 1, 2005
BRUSSELS - Belgian federal police arrested 14 people on Tuesday night in 14 house raids linked to the suicide bomb attack carried out by a Belgian woman in ...
'Morocco suspect met with Samir A.'
Expatica, Netherlands - Dec 1, 2005
... The raids in Brussels, Antwerp, Riemst and Charleroi were carried out after reports emerged on Tuesday that a Belgian woman had carried out a suicide attack in ...
Suspects' wives eye suicide bombings United Press International
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Europe's woman suicide bomber
Mathaba.Net, UK - Dec 1, 2005
... yesterday against a suspected terrorist network after a Belgian-born convert to Islam blew herself up in Baghdad, becoming Europe's first woman suicide bomber. ...
European police detain 15 in raids linked to suicide bomb
WOI, IA - Nov 30, 2005
... volunteers to Iraq. Officials say one of those was a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack on an American patrol in Baghdad. ...
Belgian police arrest terror suspects
DeHavilland, UK - Nov 30, 2005
... investigation. A 38-year-old female suicide bomber of reportedly Belgian origin descent six people near Baghdad on November 9th. Police ...
Wives of Islamists detained in Belgium 'ready to be suicide ...
Middle East Times, Egypt - Dec 2, 2005
... Moroccan-Belgian Mohamed Reha, said that there were more "sisters" in Belgium ready to undertake jihad (holy war) operations, after the first suicide attack by ...
CNN International 'This is our Belgian kamikaze'
CNN International - Dec 1, 2005
... The raids in Brussels and three other cities across the country involving more than 200 police officers followed media reports of the Belgian woman's suicide. ...
Belgian first European bomber
Calcutta Telegraph, India - Dec 1, 2005
30: A Belgian-born convert to Islam has become the first European woman suicide bomber, killing herself recently in Iraq, French intelligence officials have ...
15 held in Belgian raids
Scotsman, United Kingdom - Nov 30, 2005
... detained 14 suspects with links to a terrorist network that sent volunteers to Iraq, including a Belgian woman who allegedly carried out a suicide attack in ...
Suicide Bomber Case in Belgium Grows
Zaman Online, Turkey - Nov 30, 2005
After a Belgian female suicide bomber blew herself up in Iraq, police in Belgium have launched a series of roundups on various houses at capital Brussels on ...
Many Suicide Female Bombers in Belgium
Zaman Online, Turkey - Dec 1, 2005
By Anadolu News Agency (aa). Moroccan-origin Belgian fundamentalist Mohammed Rena has claimed that many female suicide bombers in Belgium are ready to attack. ...
Belgian commits Iraq bombing
San Jose Mercury News, USA - Dec 1, 2005
... to commit a suicide bombing in Iraq, police said Wednesday after arresting 15 suspects linked to the woman in Belgium and France. The 36-year-old Belgian woman ...
BBC News Belgian woman bomber identified
BBC News, UK - Dec 1, 2005
Stunned Belgians are starting to get a clearer picture of the Belgian woman identified as a suicide bomber killed in Iraq last month. ...
uruknet.info Give Up Your Rights Because Girl Next Door is an al-Qaeda Suicide ...
uruknet.info, Italy - Dec 2, 2005
... "The EU moves came as Belgian investigators charged ... told about a new phenomenon—formerly passive Middle Eastern Muslim women acting as suicide bombers—now ...
EU Ministers Adopt New Counterterror Measures
DefenseNews.com (subscription) - Dec 2, 2005
... with providing support to a group that sent terrorist volunteers to Iraq, including a 38-year-old Belgian citizen who blew herself up in a suicide bomb attack ...
CBS News Belgian Woman Identified As an Iraq Bomber
CBS News - Dec 1, 2005
(AP) Authorities have identified a woman who carried out a suicide attack against a US patrol in Iraq as a 38-year-old Belgian who had two marriages to radical ...
EU anti-terror strategy aims to halt recruitment
Unison.ie, Ireland - Dec 2, 2005
... The Belgian and French authorities have been engaged in retribution this week since France revealed a Belgian woman carried out a suicide bombing in Iraq. ...
Europe stunned by first woman jehadi
Times of India, India - Dec 2, 2005
LONDON: The story of Mur-iel Degauque, a white Belgian convert to Islam and the West's first woman suicide bomber, has shocked and alarmed European capitals ...
New York Times Service
The Asian Age, India - 32 minutes ago
... daughter as saying the dog attack was the result of a suicide attempt and ... Benoît Lengelé, a Belgian surgeon who assisted in the transplant, said that the ...
Suicide bomber 'was Belgian woman'
Telegraph.co.uk, United Kingdom - Nov 29, 2005
... intelligence officials learned that US troops in Iraq recently found the remains of a European woman at the site of a suicide attack with a Belgian passport. ...
National Post Belgian-born woman was Iraq suicide bomber, sources say
National Post, Canada - Nov 30, 2005
... that US troops in Iraq recently found the remains of a European woman at the site of a suicide attack. Nearby was a recently issued Belgian passport thought to ...
Belgian woman confirmed as Iraq suicide bomber
Ireland Online, Ireland - Nov 30, 2005
Authorities detained at least one suspect during dawn raids into houses of potential allies of a Belgian woman who blew herself up in a suicide bomb attack in ...
Suspect linked to Belgian female suicide bomber in Iraq
Ireland Online, Ireland - Nov 30, 2005
Authorities detained at least one suspect today during dawn raids on houses of people connected to a Belgian female suicide bomber who struck in Iraq three ...
Police detain suspect in raids linked to Belgian female suicide ...
San Diego Union Tribune, United States - Nov 30, 2005
... raided homes Wednesday and detained 14 members of suspected terrorist network that sent volunteers to Iraq, including a Belgian female suicide bomber who ...
14 Terror Suspects Detained In Belgium
Washington Post, United States - Nov 30, 2005
... people suspected of involvement in a terrorist network that sent fighters to Iraq, including a Belgian woman reported to have carried out a suicide bombing in ...
Terrorists: Free all prisoners or we will execute hostages
Scotsman, United Kingdom - Dec 2, 2005
... Mr Kember was shown talking to the camera but no audio was transmitted. • Investigators of a suicide bombing by a Belgian woman in Iraq are holding five ...
Belgium investigates Iraq suicide attack
Seattle Post Intelligencer - Nov 29, 2005
BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Belgian authorities were investigating whether a Belgian woman carried out a suicide attack in Iraq several weeks ago, officials said ...
Belgium arrests 14 over links to suicide bomber
Swissinfo, Switzerland - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgian police arrested 14 people on Wednesday suspected of links to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack near Baghdad earlier ... Belgium arrests 14 seen linked to suicide bomber
Reuters AlertNet, UK - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Belgian police arrested 14 suspects on Wednesday believed to be linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack near ...
Belgium holds 14 over Iraq bombing
Financial Times, UK - Nov 30, 2005
By Sarah Laitner. Fourteen people were arrested in Belgium yesterday after a Belgian woman suicide bomber struck in Iraq last month. ...
Belgium detains terror suspects
Dallas Morning News (subscription), TX - Nov 30, 2005
... 14 suspected of having links to a terrorist network that sent volunteers to Iraq, including a Belgian woman accused of carrying out a suicide attack in Baghdad ...
Belgium makes arrests over woman suicide bomber
Reuters AlertNet, UK - Nov 30, 2005
... Reuters) - Belgian police raided homes overnight and arrested a number of people believed to be linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack near ...
Police Detain Suspect In Raids Linked To Belgian Female Suicide ...
KOTV, OK - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) Authorities raided homes on Wednesday and detained 14 people suspected of links to a Belgian female suicide bomber who struck in Iraq ...
Prediction come true
American Thinker, AZ - Dec 1, 2005
... extraordinary tales of Islamic radicalisation, she is thought to be the first white Western woman to carry out a suicide bombing. To be sure, a Belgian, not an ...
Belgian woman carries out
Expatica, Netherlands - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS — A Belgian woman who married a radical Islamic man and converted to Islam after her marriage carried out a suicide bomb attack in Iraq several ...
Belgium arrests 14 over Baghdad explosion
ISN, Switzerland - Nov 30, 2005
... On 9 November, a Belgian woman carried out a suicide bombing near against a US military patrol near Baghdad. She was the only casualty. ...
15 linked to militant group arrested
Baltimore Sun, United States - Dec 1, 2005
... homes yesterday and detained 14 people with links to a militant network that sent volunteers to Iraq, one a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack on a ...
WORLD BRIEFS
Newsday, NY - Dec 1, 2005
... said. All were linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack on an American patrol Nov. 9 in Baghdad, officials said. ... WORLD BRIEFS
Newsday, NY - Dec 1, 2005
... said. All were linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack on an American patrol Nov. 9 in Baghdad, officials said. ...
BBC News Iraq bomber 'was Belgian woman'
BBC News, UK - Nov 30, 2005
A Belgian woman who converted to Islam after marrying a radical Muslim carried out a suicide attack in Baghdad earlier this month, say Belgian prosecutors. ...
Iraq bomber 'was Belgian woman'
CNN International - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- Authorities detained 14 suspects Wednesday during dawn raids on homes of people connected to a Belgian female suicide bomber who ...
Belgium makes arrests over woman suicide bomber
Khaleej Times, United Arab Emirates - Nov 30, 2005
BRUSSELS - Belgian police raided homes overnight and arrested a number of people believed to be linked to a Belgian woman who carried out a suicide attack near ...
EU ministers agree on anti-terror strategy
China Post, Taiwan - Dec 1, 2005
... The agreement came on the day Belgian investigators charged five people with involvement ... through in the wake of the July attacks by British suicide bombers on ...
'poised to depart for Iraq'
Expatica, Netherlands - Dec 1, 2005
... were poised to depart for Iraq to carry out a suicide attack, police and ... Belgian working class family, Degauque became a radical when she married the Moroccan ...
WORLD BRIEFS
The Statesman, India - Dec 2, 2005
... are ready to commit suicide attacks, one detainee has told investigators in Morocco, according to police minutes. The detainee, Moroccan-Belgian Mohamed Reha ...
International Briefs
Winston-Salem Journal, NC - Nov 29, 2005
... BRUSSELS, Belgium - Belgian authorities were investigating whether a Belgian woman carried out a suicide attack in Iraq several weeks ago, officials said ...
Victory, Mr President?
Independent, UK - Nov 30, 2005
... nThe first female suicide bomber of European origin was identified yesterday when prosecutors said a Belgian-born woman was the perpetrator of an attack on US ... |
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The Bobster
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Judeo-Xtian culture is also not very kind to women, by the way. Anyone care to speculate why she voluntarily chose to leave a culture she was born in and try to enter another that, as you say, "is not particularly kind?"
The answer might be that extremists create their own culture in the very act of rejecting the culture they have been given, as they see it as inadequate to their needs. Therefore, the question that might need to be asked is
"What is it about Western Culture that was inadequate to this woman, so much so that she rejected it so completely as she did?" |
What do you think, Bobster? Did she make the right choice? Anyway, I doubt she jumped ship because Judeo-Christian culture is "also not very kind to women". |
Obviously, it was a bad choice - who in the world thought THAT was anything to discuss?
My questions were about what it is in our culture that this woman found so lacking that she so thoroughly rejected it along with her own life as well - thing is, if we can crack that particular nut, we might start to get close to figuring out suicide bombers in general. The other question which was only alluded to as a means of scorn is what is it about Islam that could be able to impel devotion from any woman at all, converted to it or not ... because it does, you know, many intelligent and thinking women at that.
But I don't really see many on this thread or others around here who are interested in really grappling with questions at all. Seems to be much more interesting to you all to simply use these issues as springboards for insults, jeers, and occasions to pat yourselves on the back for being smarter than a billion other people on the planet ...
Wish I could say I find it interesting as well, but ... ho hum. |
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bigverne
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It's really not very difficult. What is it about any totalitarian revolutionary ideology that attracts intelligent, educated people. They always have, and they always will, and we must continue to stand firm in the face of such anti-democratic forces. Whether it be Nazism, Communism or Islamism, people join movements because they want to be part of something and because such movements have a certain 'romantic' allure of overthrowing a corrupt and decadent (as they see it) system.
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Quite possibly many of the things you liberals have ushered in. Namely the collapse of the family and traditional morals and the replacement of pride in Western culture with a weak 'multiculturalism' that is used as a vehicle to bash the West. Europeans can no longer take pride in their own cultures and traditions, so it is little wonder that some of the more unhinged amongst them are attracted to simplistic ideologies that seek to regulate every aspect of life. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
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| My questions were about what it is in our culture that this woman found so lacking that she so thoroughly rejected it along with her own life as well. |
Bobster, your first question may never go beyond the rhetorical. Which is not say it doesn't merit investigation. In the 60's she may well have thrown on a Nehru jacket, love beads, and hit the Khatmandu trail.
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Rebel Without A Cause Jim Stark (James Dean) craved parental discipline. He wanted hard and fast answers from his parents. He didn't get any; his old man was a wuss. Big power vacuum there, in young, impressionable minds.
Just a theory. We'll learn much about this woman as weeks go by, I'm sure.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/chuckcolson/2005/12/06/177920.html
Edit: I see Bigverne has supplied an answer as well. I agree with that one too.
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TheUrbanMyth
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Yes, and even if we were to recognise him as a 'Christian extremist' (which is highly contentious), his example in no way compares to the Islamic Jihadists groups active in almost all muslim nations and many infidel ones with large muslim populations.
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Politically correct garbage. You can find few examples of Christian groups committed to terrorism. On the other hand, you can find numerous examples, just this very week of such Islamic groups willing to carry out such actions.
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Not "Christian". WESTERN. There are plenty of western extremists.
Waco comes to mind. And there are numberous White supremency groups, milita groups and neo-nazis. The difference is that generally their brand of terrorism is directed at one particular group or race. Still terrorism. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Politically correct garbage. You can find few examples of Christian groups committed to terrorism. On the other hand, you can find numerous examples, just this very week of such Islamic groups willing to carry out such actions.
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Wikipedia has seven such groups listed under "Christian terrorism" You do realize that there are so-called Christian terrorists OUTSIDE of the West right? Whether or not they DESERVE the term Christian is another topic all together. |
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bigverne
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Hardly any, and they pale into total insignificance when compared to the terrorist disciples of Mohammed. So, really, there is no comparison. |
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dulouz
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| Love to hear why you think the significance has nothing to do with bigotry, despite the fact that the headline mentions her skin color and the topic is very active on white supremacist php boards - ah, gosh, why is it you'd prefer not to address these salient aspects? Can't imagine why... |
I checked this on Stormfront. She isn't being talked about. |
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