Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

US lawmakers discuss ending birthright citizenship.
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the problem begins in the title of the thread. It should read:

"US considers ending lawmakers' citizenship"


A few new US citizens (or even a few million) who are born in the US with parents who are non citizens is not a problem. The change would make huge problems. Being born in the US would no longer be enough. You have to have documents for your parents too. Immigrants come to the US. They have kids before becoming citizens. For some reason they never pass the bar and get citizenship. Still the kids grow up in the US. AS adults they are stateless. These same fascist lawmakers will want to deport the kids somewhere. Where?

Immigrants are what made America great. ALL of America's social and economic problems were made by its lawmakers. WE should end THEIR citizenship and Kick them out.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I can't think of one good reason that someone becomes a U.S. citizen based solely upon the fact that they were born on U.S. soil. Can you? I'm interested to read what you think.


Scenario 1: A couple from Guatemala come up. The guy gets a job in a meat packing plant and the woman gets a job as a maid at the Motel 7. They have a kid. I'd say the kid deserves automatic citizenship because the parents are contributing to society.

a) I'd feel better if the parents had made some kind of commitment to long term residency, but as things are now, they can't do it. This needs to be cleaned up. Obviously there are millions of jobs for immigrants. Get that regularized.

b) The second reason the kid deserves citizenship is because the rights he is guaranteed (education, food etc.) are basic human rights.

Scenario 2: A pregnant Korean woman flies in to LA, stays in a motel or with a cousin for a couple of months, has the baby then both fly back to Seoul.

I'd say this kid does not deserve citizenship. The mother has made no contribution to society. Her stay was temporary in the extreme. The only purpose was to obtain citizenship for the kid.

Scenario 3: A Korean chemical researcher and his family go to Indiana University for a year. During the year a kid is born then everyone flies back to Seoul.

This one is sticky. The father is contributing, but the stay is temporary. I could be convinced either way, but my gut tells me the kid should not receive citizenship.

I'm sure there are other likely scenarios. My problem about a Constitutional amendment would be how to write one that covers all likely scenarios in a couple of sentences. I would not be in favor of a 45 page amendment covering only citizenship. It's just not the place for it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International