|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
|
 Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
 |
|
[quote="hypnotist"]
| bigverne wrote: |
| It is you, Sir, who works to increase the credibility of the BNP. You stand here and argue the same points they argue. You agree with their analyses. You argue in favour of the same changes they do. You give far more succour to that disgusting group of people than I do. Open your eyes. |
Yes, I've noticed bv speaking of the BNP here as "more tolerable" in the past, and yet, despite the hate this party contains and embodies he refuses to open his own eyes and see what his words have been telling us all for a while. He refuses to open his eyes despite pictures shown to him of here of hate speech is a rally ... he refuses.
And this thread has gone silent for more than half a week, probably because good ol' verne over there has nothing at all to say to reply about this very credible observation.
Sometimes silence says a lot ...
Last edited by The Bobster on Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:21 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| He refuses to open his eyes despite pictures shown to him of here of hate speech is a rally |
A tired, washed up hippy, unable to write proper English. Seriously, what does this mean? I have already shown up your feeble attempts to paint me as a BNP supporter, which you did through gross distortion and slander.
| Quote: |
| And this thread has gone silent for more than half a week |
Because it became obvious that is was going nowhere. Me and hypnotist have very different viewpoints on this issue, and we would have been going round in circles. At least he can put together a good argument, whereas you, as ever, bring nothing to the table. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
| bigverne wrote: |
| Quote: |
| He refuses to open his eyes despite pictures shown to him of here of hate speech is a rally |
A tired, washed up hippy, unable to write proper English. Seriously, what does this mean? I have already shown up your feeble attempts to paint me as a BNP supporter, which you did through gross distortion and slander. |
I've seen the term "grammar Nazi" bandied about in reference to mere typos. I'll refrain from taking the term to it's very obvious extention in this case. I never distorted nor slandered you, and any damage that was done was due to the opinions whch you yourself expressed that were quoted accurately.
You did in fact say that there was something tolerable about the BNP, and when shown photos of hate speech on signs at one of their rallies you made excuses for them, claiming they were someone else who happened to drop by.
That's you, bv. Look at it.
| Quote: |
| Quote: |
| And this thread has gone silent for more than half a week |
Because it became obvious that is was going nowhere. Me and hypnotist have very different viewpoints on this issue, and we would have been going round in circles. At least he can put together a good argument, whereas you, as ever, bring nothing to the table. |
Fact is, you and just about everyone except maybe David Duke have different viewpoints ... but hypnotist made a salient comment about people with similar viewpoints to yours increasing the credibility of hate groups like the BNP. You chose to say nothing. Probably, you hoped no one would notice.
And your response to the fact that I did notice was to make insults about my person ("tired, washed up hippy") rather than refer to the facts or point of view I expressed. That says a lot. About you, and the poverty of the viewpoint you espouse.
It says you have nothing to back up what you say, and are an unembarassed hypocrite when you accuse me of slander when I responded to your posts accurately and fairly and you reply with what is obviously nothing else than that. You show what you are, bv. We can all see it very clearly.
The BNP is an ugly part of the life of politics in your country, not unlike The Klan in my own country. You regularly speak similar little droppings of hate in the words you post here, and you have made excuses for extremists such as these. You try to deny it now, but we both know it is true.
And you amuse me my trying to cast a stale insult in my direction while denying to everyone what you really are. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| You did in fact say that there was something tolerable about the BNP |
This is a contradiction of your next statement.
| Quote: |
| I never distorted nor slandered you |
I said that I did not find them as bad as some 'moderate' Islamic groups. If I say, Mao was not as bad as Hitler, does that make me a fan of Mao? You seem unable to get this simple point into your thick skull.
| Quote: |
| when shown photos of hate speech on signs at one of their rallies you made excuses for them |
More distortions. Someone posted a picture of an NF rally, claiming that it was a BNP rally. I merely pointed out that it was not a BNP rally. It is clear that you have quite a poor grasp of UK politics, and to save yourself future embarassment, I advise to do some research before you voice your opinions on such threads.
If we want to talk about 'excuses' for extremism, we need look no further than your absurd moral equivalence between religious freedom in the West and the muslim world. That was something.
| Quote: |
| hypnotist made a salient comment about people with similar viewpoints to yours increasing the credibility of hate groups like the BNP. You chose to say nothing |
I could have said why he was wrong, and he would have disagreed, and so on, and so on. I respect his point of view, although I think his adherence to some aspects of the liberal agenda does favour the far-right. We will agree to disagree.
| Quote: |
| you have made excuses for extremists such as these |
Post examples of me making 'excuses for extremists' or shut the hell up. I don't want your rendition of what I said, as this will be an obvious distortion. I want you to show, using quotations, how I have 'made excuses for extremists'. Otherwise, your accusations are hollow.
| Quote: |
| while denying to everyone what you really are. |
Please tell me what I am? Presumably a racist. Now, demonstrate how. If you can't, kindly feck off. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| bigverne wrote: |
| Please tell me what I am? Presumably a racist. Now, demonstrate how. If you can't, kindly feck off. |
MOre of your purty mouth ...
To quote Shakespeare, a much more admirable Brit than what see in front of me "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."
| Quote: |
| I said that I did not find them as bad as some 'moderate' Islamic groups. |
There's no distortion, except yours. You used the word "tolerable," I'm fairly certain, and the statement above says you find something worthwhile about them. The discussion in which you originally said that was more specific in regards to your (and the BNP's) stand about immigration.
What is your problem, and why are you unwilling to admit to things that you have said here? If you belileve this shiite, why not stand up and admit it after you have said so clearly?
Um, well, I think I know why ... part of you must know that the things you say are hateful and ugly, and you have displayed a distinct disinclination to oppose those who share your opinions who are unabashedly so. If I'd said half the stuff you usually say around here I would want to admit it either - wierd thing is, you not only SAY it, but then try to claim there is nothing hateful or ugly about it.
Yeah, that's wierd. VERY wierd. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
|
| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| What is your problem, and why are you unwilling to admit to things that you have said here? |
I do not have to 'admit' to any of the baseless accusations you have laid against me. I have said nothing racist, and you have no evidence to back up any of your accusations. Moreover, I stand by everything I have said on this forum, and am not the least bit ashamed of anything I have said.
| Quote: |
| You used the word "tolerable," I'm fairly certain, and the statement above says you find something worthwhile about them. |
This is very tiresome, because we have been through this before. I said I found the BNP 'less distasteful' than many 'moderate' Islamic groups. I also find Lenin less distasteful than Stalin. Presumably, this means, in your mentally retarded mind, that I have just 'endorsed' Lenin. You didn't understand the argument the first time, and you can't grasp it now, so let's end this pointless little exchange now shall we? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
