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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:56 am Post subject: Koreans can't count!!! |
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I got a history pamphlet about Korea recently.
It said the Go-GoRyeo or whatever it's called started around 2333 BC.
Now it is 2005.
That's about 4338 years, if my math is correct. And that's assuming that this history is not doctored in some way.
So what's this about 5000 years of history? Some people even say 'OVER 5000 years'.
Someone can't count, me thinks. |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:01 am Post subject: |
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They count squatting in one place as history. It may be over 5000 years, but by my counting it is really right after the Japanese invaded. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:07 am Post subject: |
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bellum99 wrote: |
They count squatting in one place as history. It may be over 5000 years, but by my counting it is really right after the Japanese invaded. |
Those sound like fighting words... But yes I agree. Japanese are one of the greatest oriental cultures. Mongols, Chinese, and Japanese. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Well, geologically speaking, the peninsula has probably been here for millions of years. That's a guess, I haven't looked it up. So the "history" could be tracked back to the first human presence here. Or even further, to the bear that gave birth to the Korean race. Or whatever it was. |
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: |
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A couple of years ago I had an interesting conversation with a Korean-American, retired US Army, who was visiting Seoul.
What he said was quite fascinating, though I can't confirm that it's true.
According to his story, some of the archeological digs of REALLY old sites here in Korea have turned up . . . Caucasian remains.
Shades of Kennewick Man in the States, and the blond mummies of Western China.
If I can believe what this fellow told me, the finds caused a great deal of consternation here in Korea ("What! Our ancestors were . . . white?") and were then pretty quickly and conveniently hushed up/no longer talked about, etc.
Quite frankly, I do NOT know that any of this is true (it's just what someone I happened to meet happened to tell me), and am quite curious to know whether there's anything to it.
I'm not grinding an ax here, nor do I have a dog in the fight, if there is one, and if you'll pardon the mixed metaphors.
Anyone know anything about this?
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sheba
Joined: 16 May 2005 Location: Here there and everywhere!
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:57 am Post subject: |
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From what Ive heard, there have been people in Korea for around 30,000 years (dated artifacts), but there has only been documentation for the past 5000 years or so. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: yes |
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They found some caucasian remains in North America a while back too. They dated back to before the aboriginals came there, so of course they were hushed and covered up too. That could open up a big pandora's box.
Their 'history', I heard from a Korean source, dates back to 2333 or so. That would make it 4300 years or so. I always hear about Korea's math ability. Now I wonder. |
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Wrench wrote: |
bellum99 wrote: |
They count squatting in one place as history. It may be over 5000 years, but by my counting it is really right after the Japanese invaded. |
Those sound like fighting words... But yes I agree. Japanese are one of the greatest oriental cultures. Mongols, Chinese, and Japanese. |
Mongols are, or Mongols were?
As for Japan, I suggest a book by Alex Kerr called "Dogs and Demons". The Japanese have some profound cultural problems going on at the moment. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Considering you don't know what date the Koreans are counting from what makes you think Koreans can't count? |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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Satori wrote: |
As for Japan, I suggest a book by Alex Kerr called "Dogs and Demons". The Japanese have some profound cultural problems going on at the moment. |
Well, who doesn't, eh?
Anyway, I think everybody claims 6,000 years of history. It seems to be the number everybody wants. |
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hack

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Bee Positive wrote: |
According to his story, some of the archeological digs of REALLY old sites here in Korea have turned up . . . Caucasian remains. |
Probably EFL teachers who got caught trying to pull runners. Apparently they were much less lenient with them back then |
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thursdays child
Joined: 21 Sep 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know much detail about all this - but I know evidence of 'white people' being in places they were thought not to have been is being discovered in many continents. Travelling scandanavians/vikings?? In New Zealand they have discovered celtic rock art that is pre-Maori and the Maori have legends of white people being in NZ when they arrived. The official 'word' isn't being released until 2060 because it could undermine the treaty unto which the culture and law is based. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Satori wrote: |
Wrench wrote: |
bellum99 wrote: |
They count squatting in one place as history. It may be over 5000 years, but by my counting it is really right after the Japanese invaded. |
Those sound like fighting words... But yes I agree. Japanese are one of the greatest oriental cultures. Mongols, Chinese, and Japanese. |
Mongols are, or Mongols were?
As for Japan, I suggest a book by Alex Kerr called "Dogs and Demons". The Japanese have some profound cultural problems going on at the moment. |
And what koreans don't? |
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edmiller2b
Joined: 02 May 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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hack wrote: |
Bee Positive wrote: |
According to his story, some of the archeological digs of REALLY old sites here in Korea have turned up . . . Caucasian remains. |
Probably EFL teachers who got caught trying to pull runners. Apparently they were much less lenient with them back then |
yep, agreed. probably remnants of ancient native speaker teachers.
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Satori

Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Location: Above it all
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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As for Japan, I suggest a book by Alex Kerr called "Dogs and Demons". The Japanese have some profound cultural problems going on at the moment. |
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And what koreans don't? |
Try the book before commenting further. It's much more severe in Japan, and probably not about what you imagine. The Koreans have taken more of a lead from the US in setting up thier economy and state structure, and in the long run it will serve them well. Japan has not. The whole idea of Japan as hyper efficient ultra modern society is completely off base. They are actually profoundly resistant to western ideas and to change in general. They have focused entirely on manufacturing and contruction development, and are set to get washed out as we move into the information age. The banks have trillions of dollars worth of bad loans that will never be repaid but they refuse to recalculate thier position. Likewise the government allows banks to value thier property holdings at the buying price, a profound economic deciept, as the values have dropped staggeringly. Development projects go ahead because govt agencies get money for them, and most of the projects are worthless, but they make corrupt beuraucrats extremely rich. It's more complex than this, and Im not explaining it too well. It's an extreme situation. Just try the book, trust me it's a fascinating read. |
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