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[rapier]

have you heard of the pillaging 60's??
Yes!! the 1060's was a decade unlike any other that changed the world forever. william the conqueror invaded England and radically altered the future and demographics of that country. It was a crazy decade, not to be forgotten by all who were there.The survivors reckon their music and their military battles were the best in world history, and they poo-pooed the attempts of successive generations and decades to emulate their style.

another decade that changed the world was the 1940's. The world was engaged in massive warfare- with almost no nation on earth left untouched! the bravery and courage of people in that crazy decade was awesome- it changed the world and the course of history!!

or...maybe the 940's?? amazing decade.

i guess all decades have been massively important to the histroy of the world. Its just the 60's had a guy who wore thick rimmed spectacles and penned a few songs, woohoo! Amazing!!!
We will forever live in the shadow of that decade, and nothing will ever compare or match up to it. Even the meteorite impact and ice age has nothing on it, for charting world destiny.

[SPINOZA]

Rapier, you anal maggot,

I take great insult at the fetid mewlings of retrograde anencaphalic twits like you. John Lennon vs Hagwon Monkey? Blimey, it's a tough choice. You a ranky stanky arsehole and you have nothing whatsoever to offer this existence other than the unfounded mental dumpster juice you spew forth. If I'm ever misfortunate enough to meet you in real life, I'll put my thumb in your nose, my fingers in your eye sockets and use you as a bowling ball. You festering discharge from the anus of a haemorroidal leper, you living backstreet miscarriage, your parents should apologise for your birth! Your sole premise for disrespecting JL appears to be that he's from Liverpool/North of England. Yes, very grim the Yorkshire Dales, Peak District, Lake District, Northumbria. Stoke Newington, Bracknel, Hackney...that's my definition of grim, as well as the genepool you vomited forth from. You don't even have enough merit to your miserable scabrous little life to lick Lennon's toilet clean. Fook off back to your estate with your bloody regional accent you putrescent pile of puke. The majesty of Mother Nature is befouled simply by the fact that liverless maggots like you exist. John Lennon was a working class hero who went from relatively little to inspiring several generations with his talent for music and poetry; you're some junk-food eating piece of *beep* with a useless degree in The Land of the Western Losers. I'll take Lennon anyday, thanks.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[igotthisguitar]

HAPPY CHRISTMAS

http://beatlesnumber9.com/happyxmas_v100.ram

http://johnlennon.com/html/videos.aspx

Thursday, December 8th, 2005
John Lennon 1940-1980:
History Professor Jon Wiener Discusses Lennon's Politics,
FBI Files and Why Richard Nixon Sought to Deport Him

http://lennonfbifiles.com/

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/08/1421215

http://www.archive.org/download/dn2005-1208/dn2005-1208-1_64kb.mp3

[rapier]

Yeah what I'm saying is:

*The 1960's was not a superior decade. Not even the greatest of the 20th century. Trying to say anyone who wasn't there is somehow deprived or that all attitudes and music are poor imitations of that time, is rubbish.

*John lennon was nothing great. He owed his fame to the fortunate invention of TV and mass media which ensured his face was in every home, giving the masses the illusion of thinking they knew him. Its a bit like the mass hysteria and public grief over the Death of Princess Diana. Abnormal. Some people even cried when Scott left "Neighbours". Such is the power of mass media.

* If I hear "Imagine" one more time, I'm throwing the tv out the appartment block window. Now give me some DJ Tiesto.

[the_beaver]

[Satori]

I get it rapier, you have *beep* envy. Your real problem is that YOU are actually AFRAID that the sixties actually WERE more fun. Just like insecure people everywhere you're desperately worried that your own experience won't live up to the dream, that somewhere, somehow, someone is having ( or had ) more fun than you. You lack the confidence to believe in your own decade, and the get up and go to create your own halcion days. The legacy of the sixties INTIMIDATES you, and thus your react by putting it down. Of course, my bad, how could anything good come from that incence infected era!?

In fact we're talking about just one man, it was YOU that made the paranoid leap from John Lennon to the sixties. Lennon only represents the sixties if you decide in your own mind that it's so. I prefer to take him as a musician. Forget all the cultural hero stuff, that is largely stuff thrust on him by others. For me the music works just fine on it's own, even lifted out of the cultural context, and stripped of the mythology. What we have left is simply a damn fine bunch of songs, brilliantly sung, brilliantly arranged, and brilliantly recorded. And by the way, the Beatles were not "over hyped". They haven't been hyped at all, they don't need to be hyped. You see, it's quite simple, people like thier music. Millions and millions of people accross many cultures, continuing to this day, even though the cultural context is way gone, the band is not touring, or playing live, or making videos, they have absolutely no media presence whatsoever apart from the odd nostalgia retrospective in Rolling Stone every five years, and guess what? They continue to sell staggering amounts of records and pick up new young fans who have no idea what it all supposedly meant. How can this be? And this is in competition with the latest ultra marketed hip hop and teen gloss. Could it be, just perhaps, that four guys from Liverpool got together and just happened to make some of the most stunningly indelible pop music ever recorded on the face of this planet?

You are dissmissed. Next please!

[rapier]

[Satori]

[desultude]

One of the myths of the right is that the left was responsible for the poor treatment of vets when they returned. Look up the history of VVAW (Vietnam Vets Against the War) and you will find that most left groups were affiliated with assisting vets. As is becoming the case with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, vets came home disallusioned with the government, broken physically and spiritually, and many of them addicted to the hard drugs that were everywhere available to them in Southeast Asia (you can research the U.S. government's role in that, also.)

Blame the left for the degeneration of "Western Civilization"? Ha! The U.S. government, via the CIA, AID and the military bear much responsibility for the drugs and chaos of the 60's, and the decline of the faith in government and institutions that is prevalent there today.

No, Rapier, you weren't there. So you cannot speak with any authority on the subject(s) of the 60's. Don't accuse someone else of being young and naive. You are both young and naive, and strangely cynical and misanthropic.

The 60's were like the 20's in that there are times in history when there are convergences of ideas and events that mark them as memorable. Yes, the 60's were a very specific and peculiar time that has many effects on things today, but you are confusing coincidence with causality in your "decline of the west" thesis.

[igotthisguitar]

[igotthisguitar]

[Satori]

[Rteacher]

I wasn't aware that it was the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's passing away, but somehow I was inspired to play a "Superstar Christmas" CD compilation which featured "Happy Christmas/ War is Over" as the opening song - so I played that song at the beginning of all my classes that day.

Actually, I was in Washington D.C. on the first anniversary of John's death, and was at the National Mall near the Washington Memorial where there was a big turnout of fans (many advocating stronger gun control laws ...) I happened to be distributing small books entitled "Search For Liberation" which featured cover photos of John and Yoko and George Harrison and was comprised of some insightful talks they had with Bhaktivedanta Swami while he was a guest at Lennon's estate (Tittenhurst). The following is a brief excerpt from an interview with George Harrison as he reminisces about John during that period:

John Lennon and Hare Krishna

Mukunda: Did any of the other Beatles chant?

George: Before meeting Prabhupada and all of you, I had bought that album Prabhupada did in New York, and John and I listened to it. I remember we sang it for days, John and I, with ukulele banjos, sailing through the Greek Islands chanting Hare Krishna. Like six hours we sang, because we couldn't stop once we got going. As soon as we stopped, it was like the lights went out. It went on to the point where our jaws were aching, singing the mantra over and over and over and over and over. We felt exalted; it was a very happy time for us.

Mukunda: You know, I saw a video the other day sent to us from Canada, showing John and Yoko Ono recording their hit song "Give Peace a Chance," and about five or six of the devotees were there in John's room at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Montreal, singing along and playing cymbals and drums. You know, John and Yoko chanted Hare Krishna on that song. That was in May of '69, and just three months later, Srila Prabhupada was John and Yoko's house guest for one month at their estate outside London.

While Prabhupada was there, you, John, and Yoko came to his room one afternoon for a few hours. I think that was the first time you all met him.

George: That's right.

Mukunda: At that point John was a spiritual seeker, and Prabhupada explained the true path to peace and liberation. He talked about the eternality of the soul, karma, and reincarnation, which are all elaborately dealt with in the Vedic literatures.Vedas, predating the Bible and covering all aspects of spiritual knowledge from the nature of the self, or individual soul, to the Supreme Soul (Sri Krishna) and His kingdom in the spiritual world. Although John never made Hare Krishna a big part of his life, he echoed the philosophy of Krishna consciousness in a hit song he wrote just about a year after that conversation, "Instant Karma."

[Ya-ta Boy]