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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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That'll probably count as a secondary tie, so maybe. |
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Form the elections Canada website, it sounds like you can have non resident status or you can vote- not both. Of course, it wasn't worded nearly that clearly |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Liberals all the way!
So they're corrupt? Who gives a Shiat. At least they were doing it for a good cause.
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What would that be? To enrich their own party? Because that's what happened. Millions of dollars of taxpayer money was paid to the Liberal party in kickbacks. And let's not forget the gun registery boondoogle.
The Liberals promised that it would only cost 2 million. It looks like the final costs will end up being 2 BILLION. That's 1000% increase. Any country that handles finances that badly doesn't deserve to be elected. The PC's could hardly do worse. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:11 am Post subject: |
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The Conservatives scare me because they promise taxcuts but provide no way to pay for them (sound familiar??). I would rather have small taxcuts while we pay off the debt and then once thats finished reorganize the system. |
Taxcuts are necessary for a thriving economy. Like you have said Alberta is model here. I think they have 8th greatest economy in Canada and America. John Cretien and Paul Martin has definitely been helped immensely by this.
Also, I would like to see a government pledge .7 percent of the GDP to world poverty. Will the Liberals do this or will they back away from their pledge?
2. Post secondary education:
I agree with your statements on this. Canada has incredible opportunities for education. Here and abroad.
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Harper and the Right. There was a free vote on gay mariage in the house of commons. The only people who didn't have a choice were cabinate ministers and i don't have a problem with that, do you think tory cab's will be allowed to disagree with Harper (if you do stop by my place with that crack again). And the Supreme Court has said that gay marriage is here to stay, the only way for Harper to change that is to use the notwithstanding clause. I dont respect a party that will break the charter to discriminate against my fellow citizenary and I think most Canadian's agree. |
Martin should have brought this in with a referendum. You talk about democracy, but he spearheaded this piece of legislation through without a vote. A majority of Canadians were against this policy. I feel that this piece of legislation should have gone to vote. With this type of precedent, the whole world will feel the effects of such a move.
The Canadian courts were the first in the world to rule that same-sex marriage is a "right" under our Charter. The common law countries of the world (almost every country that was once a British colony) draws from decisions made in other common law countries. For example, the court in Massachusetts that redefined marriage relied heavily on the Ontario Court of Appeal decision redefining marriage in Canadian law. And that decision was also persuasive in the South African Supreme Court that ruled that marriage must be redefined in that country (currently under appeal).
When marriage is redefined in Canada, it has at least a ripple effect around the world. It is not surprising, then, that those around the world are trying to push that ripple back. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry fiveeagles, you had me on your side until you started the gay marriage talk. It should not have been a referendum because democracy is about free votes but its also about the government protecting the rights of the minorities otherwise you end up with the tyranny of the majority. If you don't want a gay marriage don't have one! And I disagree that most canadians opposed gay marriage my indication was always that most canadians didn't care. The only ones who cared were those opposed on religious grounds (real or not). As a country we don't cave to what the Vatican thinks is right. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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You know, if it was anyone else other than Paul Martin, I would admire there courage for putting forth a policy that many other countries would condemn. ie. India.
However, here is a guy who was in charge of finances while the biggest boondoggle was going on. I wonder how many people greased his pockets while he put this legislation forth.
I agree that minorities have to be protected and that goes for gay rights, but this is a dangerous precedent. Our futures are at stake at such a risky move. If he didn't do it out of purity of heart, but out of selfish ambition, then watch out. The fall out will be dramatic. I believe he did it out of selfish ambition. I think Paul Martin is a wolf in sheep's clothing. (He will prove me wrong if he gives .7 percent of the GDP to world's poverty.)
You also haven't mentioned the Kyoto accord. Have you looked at our record? Not only are we not meeting the standards of Koyota, but we are increasing in our output.
Being in the environmental field for a few years and working for companies like auto, pharm and agricultural and such. I stood in shock at how they would endorse such initiatives as ISO 14001 and others, but then dump huge amounts of waste to sewage when the government wasn't looking. (I too, once lived this double standard.) This while Clinton was running.
I remember talking to one company about the glycols that would run through their waste treatment system and then into the river. Where they would have periodic massive fish kills every once in awhile. Since it was only once in a while that they had spills,(a spike in the system) they were under EPA regs. They wouldn't install the needed systems because it wasn't cost effective. (I could tell you tons of stories like this....even in beautiful BC)
I think Martin jumped on Kyota for two reasons. One, he doesn't know shite about the environment, but because it is popular he has jumped in. Two, he probably genuinely thought this would help our global environment.
Personally, I give Bush credit on this one. How will you ever regulate China, Russia or anyone as half as corrupt as them?
If you want changes on the environment, you need to change people spiritually first then regulate. No amount of government regulation will do that. People with corrupt hearts will always get around it. When your life revolves around you and nothing else, who gives a flying flipper for the next generation?
It's the same reason why a lot of Canadians want Martin in. They are so blined to their own selfish needs, they are forsaking the future of the next generation. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Liberals just announced they would ban all hand guns if elected.
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The Liberal strategy for making the streets of Canada's cities safer begins with banning all handguns and getting tougher on crime. Paul Martin announced the ban in a troubled Toronto neighbourhood on Thursday.
"I've come to the conclusion that significant change is needed. I've come to the conclusion that we should ban handguns," Martin said at a community centre in north Etobicoke, a Toronto area rocked by spate of shootings this year.
Gunfire has been responsible for 50 of the 74 homicides in Toronto this year to date.
"In a number of our cities ... there has been an upsurge in violent crime involving handguns," he said. "This is not the Canada we imagine, it isn't the Canada we want for our families."
The Liberal strategy, Martin said, would also mean tougher sentences for people convicted of crimes involving guns, better enforcement at the border to stop gun smuggling, and more police assigned to fighting guns and gangs.
The Liberals plan to introduce the ban as an amendment to the Criminal Code and invite the provinces and territories to participate to make the ban national.
Under the current system, handguns are already prohibited but people are allowed to possess a restricted firearm for target practice, target shooting competitions, to form part of a collection or, in very rare cases, for employment purposes or to protect your life.
Martin's announcement comes nearly a month after he was last in the Jane-Finch area, when he promised tougher gun laws and the creation of a $50-million fund to help combat gang violence nationally.
Toronto police launched a gun amnesty program in November, collecting 261 weapons, including 33 handguns, and more than 1,500 rounds of ammunition.
Martin said on Thursday that his government, if re-elected, would immediately introduce the handgun ban, offering narrowly defined exemptions for target shooters, and allowing collectors time to sell or dispose of their weapons.
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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Alias wrote: |
Liberals just announced they would ban all hand guns if elected.
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... which basically will only be able to be enforced on handguns that are already registered. I wonder how many of those registered handguns have been involved in the crime that he is attempting to put a dent in.
The real stupidity in this is what that story doesn't say. Sure, $50 million is going to combat gang crime, but this law also includes a $640 million buy-back program for handguns. The only people following that program will be the registered owners of registered handguns, which are not the cause of shootings. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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$50-million fund to help combat gang violence nationally. |
...of this, $43 million will be spent on administration costs at the National Gang Violence Awareness Centre to be built in Montreal and staffed by Quebecois bureaucrats. The remaining $7 million will be spent on TV ads to be aired on CBC featuring disco music and Avril Lavigne saying "gang violence isn't cool, dudes". By 2007 the budget will have grown to $438 million, which the government will deny after it blames the failure of the program on Alberta.
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah the ban handgun thing is stupid and i am a Michael Moore lovin' commie but it won't do anything. What we should be doing is that if you have a handgun on your person with a FAC and and without a resonable reason (i.e. going to the range, going hunting) you should automatically get a mandatory miniumum of 5 years or maybe even 10. We need to start mandatory minimums for violent crime (not drug crimes).
As for the Liberals remember that if they win a majority it is very likely that Martin will not serve more than 2 years so very quickly after this election we will see some major movers and shakers bopping around Ottawa vying for power (look to Frank McKenna, Belinda, Ignatiff, etc). Also if Harper loses again his resignation will be tendered within 48 hours so we will be seeing Peter MacKay and Bernard Lord making there moves ( and I would vote for a Peter macKay government). The point is that this election is only going to clear things up for about 2 years and then it will start all over again, getting rid of Harper and putting in a moderate who is obsessed with gays will get the Tories back in power. |
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Hyalucent

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: British North America
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
this election is only going to clear things up for about 2 years and then it will start all over again, ... |
Two years is generous. I'm predicting a fall election. |
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Free World

Joined: 01 Apr 2005 Location: Drake Hotel
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Octavius Hite wrote: |
Yeah the ban handgun thing is stupid and i am a Michael Moore lovin' commie but it won't do anything. What we should be doing is that if you have a handgun on your person with a FAC and and without a resonable reason (i.e. going to the range, going hunting) you should automatically get a mandatory miniumum of 5 years or maybe even 10. We need to start mandatory minimums for violent crime (not drug crimes).
As for the Liberals remember that if they win a majority it is very likely that Martin will not serve more than 2 years so very quickly after this election we will see some major movers and shakers bopping around Ottawa vying for power (look to Frank McKenna, Belinda, Ignatiff, etc). Also if Harper loses again his resignation will be tendered within 48 hours so we will be seeing Peter MacKay and Bernard Lord making there moves ( and I would vote for a Peter macKay government). The point is that this election is only going to clear things up for about 2 years and then it will start all over again, getting rid of Harper and putting in a moderate who is obsessed with gays will get the Tories back in power. |
Why wouldn't martin stay on for a full term if he has a majority government? Are McKenna and that rich Conservative lady planning on shanking him like he did Jean?
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$50-million fund to help combat gang violence nationally. |
...of this, $43 million will be spent on administration costs at the National Gang Violence Awareness Centre to be built in Montreal and staffed by Quebecois bureaucrats. The remaining $7 million will be spent on TV ads to be aired on CBC featuring disco music and Avril Lavigne saying "gang violence isn't cool, dudes". By 2007 the budget will have grown to $438 million, which the government will deny after it blames the failure of the program on Alberta. |
So true it's eerie. |
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Octavius Hite

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have a friend who worked for the Liberals during the big brawl between Jean and Paul. The plan was orginally for martin to take over and then go into an election and win a majority, do most of the majority and then bring in somebody new. The reason Martin will not stay is because of his age, he is quite old and the point of him taking over after Jean wasn't to be a great PM, it was just to do what his father couldn't and keep the Liberal status quo running. The plan of course fell apart after Gomery came out. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:11 am Post subject: |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051212/ca_pr_on_na/fedelxn_corruption_study i guess that makes canadians pretty f%%%ing corrupt |
Just a touch higher than us, their neighbors to the south. And I don't think it makes all Canadians so much as their politicians corrupt.
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On a scale of one to five, where one indicates "not corrupt" and five indicates "extremely corrupt," Canada's political parties scored a 3.9 - same as the U.S. Israel received a 4.5.
The level of perceived corruption in Canada's Parliament was rated slightly higher at 3.6, compared to 3.5 for the U.S. legislature.
When it came to the impact of corruption on political life, Canada scored a 3.3, as opposed to 3.2 in the U.S. |
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