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[mack the knife]

[Wrench]

If you were some Random schmuck, I would do it. Hell yeah 2 million Won, thats a good vacation in Thailand. If you were my friend then prolly no.

[dbee]

[muggie2dammit]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[goodbyekoreasale]

A guy I know who works at a hogwan in Seoul 'fessed up that he narked on a Canadian co-worker two days ago. Was contacted by immigration a day later who confirmed the details and his bank account number.

[tomwaits]

Saying the person is "random" or you don't like them is a copout...It's still a nasty evil thing to do.

For 100 million -or whatever-you might quickly change your mind about someone.

Anyway in our countries a snitch is a very low life-form . Murderers even look down on the snitch---the RAT....

So some of you think it's OK because of course the work you do is so brilliant and important. Physician heal thyself I say.

Would you rat out poor people in your own country. God this forum scares me sometimes.

[babtangee]

[ddeubel]

[n3ptne]

Straight up? I wouldn't rat period.

If you're a criminal who doesn't pose a threat to either me or society at large, there is no price high enough to get me to rat you out unless such extreme circumstances were presented (i.e. my Father needs a heart surgery that costs X dollars or he will die, and i'm offered X dollars to be a rat) and even then.... I can't say honestly I'd do it, probably not.

I don't care if you can do the job, can't do the job, have a good reason, don't have a good reason.... it's none of my business, it's your business, and I don't go around making other peoples business mine, it's why the world is such a screwed up place. Now... if you were working for me and I found out? Bet your ass I'd do something, though narc on you to the police? Nah, not unless you wouldn't heed the "get out of town by such and such a date" warning and/or refused to recoup whatever expensives I incurred as a result of contracting you. Going to the law is the absolute last resort.

Like or dislike doesn't enter into my equation as variables. The fact of the matter is, I am not a rat, and I don't like associating with them either. I can look myself in the mirror and honestly say that I have never harmed another human by the motivation of greed or fear, and I sleep well at night.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[Dugsby]

n3ptune has a good point.

[TheUrbanMyth]

[n3ptne]

I never said people who break the law are OK with me, I said I'm not a rat. If I witnessed a crime, I would make it known. That's not the same as being a rat.

Being a rat requires a paticular something: 1.) You are friendly enough with someone to come into the knowledge of the action that you can rat on. 2.) You are culpable, and would rat for self motives.

Both situations require betrayal. It is not "ratting" if, for instance, you find out through paperwork that a teacher is illegal and, as a result, become justifiably concerned. Going to the law before having the common decency of sitting him or her down and attempting to come to a resolution like a man? That's ratting. It's not ratting if you are asked to participate in a crime and you subsequently go to the authorities in hopes of stopping it. It's not "ratting" for a hundred scenarios... but it is ratting if someone tells you, and you go behind his back to the law.

A rat is nothing, a rat is less than nothing. The deepest, darkest places in hell, if it exists and I doubt it does, are reserved for rats.

And as for our "image"? Shit... I could care less about what our "image" here is: Though, I will say from my encounters with other foreign teachers that I can see why our image is negative, and would even argue that its justifiably negative in many aspects. Compared to the typical Korean we are undereducated, lack social graces, and have no work ethic to speak of. It's not that we're bad, it is simply that they are so good... we're talking about a society that exposes it's children to an average of 200hrs a month of education, two languages, math far above the Western norm, and in many cases a 10hr a day, 6-7day work week for, usually, less than we make for working half that. Yet, still we manage to bitch about taking sick days for a common cold, stomachache, or any other incidental maladies (including fatigue) that are acceptable excuses in Western work habits. All for why? We speak English, and yet most of us never studied it with any dedication, we speak it by virtue of our birth and have never even taken the time to begin to understand its function, structure (linguistically), or origin. On top of that we bitch about food, things we see, or how things are done in a country that isn't ours, how we miss home, and from what I've seen, never make any effort to understand the people we live with. We exploit this country for money, but yet we offer a vital enough service (how to pronounce words for the most part) as to constantly ensure employment oppurtunities. If this isn't you, cool, but I would wager that for a healthy portion of ESL teachers here it is. What I care about in this country is how Koreans see *me*, not the rest of you. I care about my image, which is flawless. If society at large may judge me because of my skin, then I will work to personally change their perceptions, but I will not do it at the sacrifice of another. I am not a rat.

Oh, and as for policing our own? Instead of ratting about a victimless crime which may or may not involve a capable teacher, how about we start kicking the snot out of our own countrymen when we see them doing something stupid, bitchy, or just generally acting like pussies (the, "I'll take a personal day to get better from my cold, I'm too weak to work, don't you want me to be back at 100%, its in the contract?" a-holes)

[TheUrbanMyth]