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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: How desperate Canadian schools are getting |
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1134515413544&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845
According to this, kids in Ontario who drop out of school before 18 won't be able to get driving licences, and 18 will be the minimum age for leaving school (unless one graduates sooner).
I think this is ridiculous. School isn't for everyone. Making everyone stay - even those who have no aptitude whatsoever - is only going to lower standards further. Let them go work at Burger King and spend the time and energy on adult high school diploma programmes so they have something to turn to when they decide Burger King isn't for them. Canadian schools should probably be kicking more kids out, not forcing them to stay past 16.
They're also talking about fining parents. What the hell is a single mom supposed to do when her 17-year-old decides he's not going to school? |
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Pangit
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Location: Puet mo.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I guess the idea was to take the idiots off the road. |
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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:44 pm Post subject: Ontario ?????? |
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The Ontario Government is filled with fools; this is no surprise to me. How valuable can a high school education be when personally know 2 people who graduated from High school who don��t posses basic Math skills. I graduated from school with no less than 4 years of French, and my Teacher passed me knowing full well I was 95% illiterate in French.
We waste so much money on Welfare and Unemployment Fraud in Ontario, how about starting a worthwhile program. We could call It Guaranteed Income Supplementation. If you pass High school, including a final exit exam, prepared by someone other than your school, you are guaranteed a small Bonus until retirement. The more school you finish the higher the bonus. It could be like a pension only you pay into it with education time instead of taxes.
I was living in Ontario and feel sorry for those who have to live with these half baked ideas the Government comes up with. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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funny thing, right now in ontario they have a shortage of unskilled labour. Seems kinda stupid to be saying "you NEED to have a high school education" when there are people who WANT jobs like driving trucks and crap like that.
by want i mean have no desire to finish school and get a "higher level jobs" |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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What's the state of homeschooling in Canada? Can you get money for it? What about money to go to private school?
This sounds like a tactic promoted by teachers' unions to strengthen their monopoly on brains, er i mean, teaching funds. More kids in school means more tax dollars being spent on public schools (that is, flushed down the toilet) and each taxpayer has relatively fewer dollars to send their kid to a private school or homeschool instead. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
What's the state of homeschooling in Canada? Can you get money for it? What about money to go to private school?
This sounds like a tactic promoted by teachers' unions to strengthen their monopoly on brains, er i mean, teaching funds. More kids in school means more tax dollars being spent on public schools (that is, flushed down the toilet) and each taxpayer has relatively fewer dollars to send their kid to a private school or homeschool instead. |
Yeah, it's interesting how they want to fine parents for non-attendence. I konw what I'd do if I had a recalcitrant teen who just wouldn't go to school and was better suited for a job. Enrollment in home schooling!
I suspect the unions are supporting this, too. Of course they have no regard for how much worse their teachers' grade 10-12 classes will be if everyone who doesn't want to be there in the least nevertheless is. |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:37 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a fantastic idea.
They should have passed a law like this decades ago. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| Another fascist move by the liberals. There is laws and their is silliness. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
What's the state of homeschooling in Canada? Can you get money for it? What about money to go to private school?
This sounds like a tactic promoted by teachers' unions to strengthen their monopoly on brains, er i mean, teaching funds. More kids in school means more tax dollars being spent on public schools (that is, flushed down the toilet) and each taxpayer has relatively fewer dollars to send their kid to a private school or homeschool instead. |
I suspect the unions are supporting this, too. Of course they have no regard for how much worse their teachers' grade 10-12 classes will be if everyone who doesn't want to be there in the least nevertheless is. |
I think they are well aware of it. I should have finished the equation I started above. Less money available to parents for private school and homeschooling means less competition for students, which means lower standards for education, which means more job security and better wages for teachers with less ability. This is the purpose of a labor union, not some kind of regrettable "side effect" of the noble struggle of the worker. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| Another fascist move by the liberals. There is laws and their is silliness. |
Paternalism can go a wee bit too far. The part about living in a free society is we should be free to make poor lifestyle choices. What's next? Lose your OHIP because you don't get an annual rectal exam? We don't want to turn Canada into Singapore. |
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Bob O.
Joined: 20 Oct 2005
Location: The 'San
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Wrench wrote: |
| Another fascist move by the liberals. There is laws and their is silliness. |
I'm not sure that this sort of 'fascist' behaviour and 'silliness' is restricted to the liberals though:
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| Ontario... would be the first province to restrict access to driver's licences. It's already done in nine American states, including Alabama, Texas and Indiana. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I was sharing this story in the staff room yesterday and it just didn't make sense to anyone - the teachers and the parents aren't able to make teengagers come to school? Of course, they were much more amazed by the fact that I was driving myself to school in grade 10. A few of my grade 3 students just got driver's licences which I guess makes them queenkas now. |
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jlb
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone needs to do the dirty and crappy jobs like work at Burger King, so why can't high-school drop-outs do it? Who needs a grade 12 education for that? I have a feeling, once they realize how bad it is, they'll be back to school pretty quick. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Who says that high school drop outs will take crappy jobs?
Some of them get pregnant and become welfare for life recipients. Others get their girlfriends pregnant and then become spouse to a welfare for life recipient.
Why would they work at Burger King when welfare will buy them a house and let them sit home watching movies and eating pizza?
I know this because my nephew and his wife are such a case.
So who is smarter? Me, who worked got his education and then had to go to Korea to find a job, because there was nothing livable back home, or my nephew and his wife who now own their house and are set for life thanks to the welfare system? |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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