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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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[quote="Kuros]I'm sorry, but Softwood lumber tariffs and dodging the Iraq War have nothing on Unit 731 and comfort women.[/quote]
What's Unit 731 (sorry, showing my ignorance)? |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Nova Scotia is one of the last bastions of what I like to call old Canada. Especially around Cape Breton. You could publically profess your love for Satan, and they would still invite you in for dinner. |
Agree. Never been there, but I have never met anyone from NS that wasn't cool as hell. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:53 am Post subject: |
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What's Unit 731 (sorry, showing my ignorance)? |
I believe Unit 731 was a Japanese unit in China that conducted biological warfare experiments on Chinese prisoners. Some of the stuff made Nazi death camp doctors look like humanitarians. There is a belief that members of Unit 731 escaped war crimes trials because the USA scooped their data. By the end of WWII it became apparent the Soviets would be the new threat and the USA wanted a jump on biological warfare. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Really Ya-ta, stop generalizing all of Canada. For the um teenth time, your worries are valid, but it's just not true everywhere. |
Mr. lao...,
I was very careful to mention for the umteenth time in the last 6 years on this forum that I think only 1 in 3 are NotAmericans. I fail to see how that is generalizing. I've read a lot of your posts since you joined our forum (welcome, btw) and have found you an intelligent and balanced Canadian, as opposed to a NotAmerican.
Please explain to me how I stepped over the line in my post. I was trying very hard not to.
Both you and kuros mentioned there is a difference among 'those people who live north of me'...sorry, but I don't know a third way to refer to all of you and don't want to confuse myself or anyone else by using 'Canadian' to refer to all of you since (in my view) not all of you regard yourselves as Canadian. Maybe it would be useful to the rest of us if all of you identified yourselves as being from Frog Spit, Manitoba or wherever at the beginning of each post and we were all responsible for keeping track of which province had a majority of nice...excuse me, 'the politest people in the world' and which did not. Somehow, I don't think that would be all that useful or practical.
The point I was trying to make is that the NotAmericans are a cross to bear for the Canadians. They give your country a bad reputation. Just ask the non-North Americans on this forum. A crap-load of them will tell you how tired they are of hearing about how Canada is not the US...ad nauseum.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. An uncomfortable truism in this situation. People from Canada are building a carefully constructed reputation for whining, visa law evading, drug dealing, anti-anyone-but-us massively insecure Koreans of North America.
The best thing you Canadians could do is kidnap and masking tape the mouth shut of the whiners in your midst and ship them home to their parents' basement until they are 93 years old and unable to hurt the reputation of your country.
Every country has them. Lord knows. But most countries keep them unemployed at home and out of (international) sight. It's a policy Canada should consider. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| People from Canada are building a carefully constructed reputation for whining, visa law evading, drug dealing, anti-anyone-but-us massively insecure Koreans of North America. |
Yata...sounds like a bit of a generalization to me. 
No worries...just having fun...  |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Frankly I think Americans are waking up to Canada's anti-Americanism and are rather disgusted by it.
Virtually every one of the 100's of the American ESL teachers I've met in Asia can recount their first bout of Canuckistani America-bashing, and how surprised they were to encounter it. Trust me for the newbies here, this totally predates the Bush administration. |
100% correct. I came to Korea in 1996 for the first time. During the 'Clinton' years. Definetely predates Bush. The Bush administration just gave legitimate political ammunition to the same ol' sentiments for the first time. It bewildered me in 1996-1997.. but in 2005 it somewhat makes sense with Bush in office.. but either way, predates Bush. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: |
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| I disagree with this message. Maybe Clinton is and maybe he isn't treated like a rock star. |
He pretty much is. |
Now that you mention it, I think Clinton was popular all over the world. It was only from Americans that I ever heard people express loathing and hate. No, wait, that's not true. I've heard the same from Canadians of the right wing persuasion, but never from Brits or Aussies or Italians or Fijians etc.
It's striking how Canadians are culturally more similar to the US than anyone else, but can still be vociferously anti-American. It could be a chip on their shoulder. Or it could be that a Canadian is what you get when you take an American and remove the brainwashing.
That was a joke by the way. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Fine, all Canadians are evil. Every issue is black or white. We hate all Americans and Canadians are the gods of the world. Every Canadian thinks this and are so focused on America that we think of nothing else. |
Dude, relax.
My interpretation of the issue this thread raises is "why U.S.-Canadian relations are souring so." My answer to this is that, in part, it is caused by Canadians tending to have chips on their shoulders with respect to the U.S. (loudly proclaiming, for example, that it is better to focus on "peacekeeping" rather than "policing," as if U.S. foreign policy is only one and not the other and always malevolent, and, moreoever, insinuating that these activities were two different, mutually exclusive things to begin with -- peacekeeping, that is, is a police action), and also the cheap smugness and the pretentions to moral superiority, etc., that seem to predominate the thought process of many but not all Canadians.
This is clearly manifested in Canadian national life, in the educational system and in everyday advertising, like "Joe Canada," for example. It is affirmed by such prominent Canadian-Americans like Peter Jennings, who admit as much in the U.S. press, and also by the Canadians on this board who, for example, celebrated some perceived moral victory when a Canadian rescue team allegedly "beat" a U.S. rescue team to a Katrina-affected area and they chastened Americans to learn to take better care of their poor, as, presumably, Canada is a model for the whole world when it comes to taking care of its poor.
And the list goes on. In any case, some in policymaking circles are taking notice that some trends in Canadian thought are little different than those trends in Latin American and Caribbean affairs that Hugo Chavez is encouraging and enhancing.
The U.S. has certainly played its own role in bringing this about. Why, however, can't you see exactly what Canada and Canadians are bringing to the table and how they are shooting themselves in the foot, too?
And, finally, none of this has anything to do with sweeping statements on good and evil. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Really Ya-ta, stop generalizing all of Canada. For the um teenth time, your worries are valid, but it's just not true everywhere. |
Mr. lao...,
I was very careful to mention for the umteenth time in the last 6 years on this forum that I think only 1 in 3 are NotAmericans. I fail to see how that is generalizing. I've read a lot of your posts since you joined our forum (welcome, btw) and have found you an intelligent and balanced Canadian, as opposed to a NotAmerican.
Please explain to me how I stepped over the line in my post. I was trying very hard not to.
Both you and kuros mentioned there is a difference among 'those people who live north of me'...sorry, but I don't know a third way to refer to all of you and don't want to confuse myself or anyone else by using 'Canadian' to refer to all of you since (in my view) not all of you regard yourselves as Canadian. Maybe it would be useful to the rest of us if all of you identified yourselves as being from Frog Spit, Manitoba or wherever at the beginning of each post and we were all responsible for keeping track of which province had a majority of nice...excuse me, 'the politest people in the world' and which did not. Somehow, I don't think that would be all that useful or practical.
The point I was trying to make is that the NotAmericans are a cross to bear for the Canadians. They give your country a bad reputation. Just ask the non-North Americans on this forum. A crap-load of them will tell you how tired they are of hearing about how Canada is not the US...ad nauseum.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease. An uncomfortable truism in this situation. People from Canada are building a carefully constructed reputation for whining, visa law evading, drug dealing, anti-anyone-but-us massively insecure Koreans of North America.
The best thing you Canadians could do is kidnap and masking tape the mouth shut of the whiners in your midst and ship them home to their parents' basement until they are 93 years old and unable to hurt the reputation of your country.
Every country has them. Lord knows. But most countries keep them unemployed at home and out of (international) sight. It's a policy Canada should consider. |
Bah.. You're right. I'm sorry. I guess I was too busy reading other "Canada as a whole" attacking threads and lumped your post in with them. My really big bad. The um teenth time wasn't really directed at you too.
But again I would like to reiterate your trip should not be cancelled. For the French part of it, the Canadian French don't hate America anymore than they hate anyone else. You are either French or English there. It doesn't matter where your English is from (though that sounds bad, they aren't, mostly, anti-English). And the rest of Atlantic Canada is like I said in the previous post. BTW, did you know Canada has a Trans-Canada trail. I think a lot of it is finished by now, so you might also think of that.
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| The squeaky wheel gets the grease. An uncomfortable truism in this situation. People from Canada are building a carefully constructed reputation for whining, visa law evading, drug dealing, anti-anyone-but-us massively insecure Koreans of North America. |
You forgot promiscius (sp?) sex. I know. Right now it is still good to be considered a Canadian in most of the world. Unfortunately, some big idiots are going to take away that bonus soon. I have no problem apologizing for stupid Canadian things (suing Michigan for not accepting Toronto's trash... Still don't understand this one) but I will also defend what I believe to still be a great country in the grand scheme of things.
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rry, but I don't know a third way to refer to all of you and don't want to confuse myself or anyone else by using 'Canadian' to refer to all of you since (in my view) not all of you regard yourselves as Canadian.
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Finally, for the people who you say don't view themselves as Canadian, I think they are taking the wrong route. I am Canadian. Though I have a British passport, and I guess I was raised somewhat in a British home, I have never been there and consider myself Canadian. I see nothing wrong with that. I don't totally understand what you mean by those people? |
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