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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| The Bobster wrote: |
"FBI officials confirmed that the man's story was true and that he was not a threat. '
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Wait a minute. Hold on. Stop the music.
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Sources said he had a suspicious pair of shoes that tested positive five times for the explosive substance TATP on the interior of his shoes between the heel and sole.
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This guys shoes tested POSITIVE for explosive 5 friggin times!!!!!!
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| After holding him overnight, airport security in New York released him. The FBI was notified after he was released and put out a nationwide alert. FBI officials confirmed that the man's story was true and that he was not a threat. |
His clothing tested positive for explosives, he is held overnight at the airport by airport security, he is then released and THEN the FBI is notified!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, the guy is released and hours and hours, presumably, later the FBI (Famous But Incompentent) finds him and then determines he is not a threat. Oiivay!!! Of course not, he has had time to get rid of anything that would be suspicious in his apartment/house, shoes, computer, etc. Oivaaaay!!!!!
My gosh, am I the only one who is scared by this demonstration of incompetence? I think from now on I'll fly El Al. At least they have their feces consolidated when it comes to security.
BTW thanks Big Verne and Bobster for turning me on to this news article.
Kumbyaa my Lord, Kumbayaa. Kumbayaa, my Lord, Kumbayaa........ |
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe they should have just shot him too. Later, perhaps, to discover he worked in an explosive factory ... |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| rok_the-boat wrote: |
| Maybe they should have just shot him too. Later, perhaps, to discover he worked in an explosive factory ... |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| It's hard to say if it was justified without knowing all the details. I feel sorry for the man's wife. |
He did not take his medication. Now take a guess whose fault that was... |
Well, then. If they clearly heard his wife saying he was off his medication, shouldn't they have taken a different approach? |
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Spike
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| It's hard to say if it was justified without knowing all the details. I feel sorry for the man's wife. |
He did not take his medication. Now take a guess whose fault that was... |
Well, then. If they clearly heard his wife saying he was off his medication, shouldn't they have taken a different approach? |
No. What if his wife had been on some scheme to set off a bomb and was just trying to buy time?
They did the right thing. |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Spike wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| It's hard to say if it was justified without knowing all the details. I feel sorry for the man's wife. |
He did not take his medication. Now take a guess whose fault that was... |
Well, then. If they clearly heard his wife saying he was off his medication, shouldn't they have taken a different approach? |
No. What if his wife had been on some scheme to set off a bomb and was just trying to buy time?
They did the right thing. |
Hell, you're right! What if all of the passengers were in on it too? Shoot them all and ask questions later.
Again, we will see as the dust settles. As of the last report I read, there was no witnesses at all to any talk of a bomb. He was guilty of erratic behavior while not being white. This has historically been a bit of a problem in the U.S. You know, there are very good stats available on the problem of DWB- driving while black. Not white? That's close enough to A-rab for government business. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Spike wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| chiaa wrote: |
| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| It's hard to say if it was justified without knowing all the details. I feel sorry for the man's wife. |
He did not take his medication. Now take a guess whose fault that was... |
Well, then. If they clearly heard his wife saying he was off his medication, shouldn't they have taken a different approach? |
No. What if his wife had been on some scheme to set off a bomb and was just trying to buy time?
They did the right thing. |
That's ridiculous. If he needed time to set off a bomb, he wouldn't have screaming that he one in the first place. He would have kept his mouth shut and tried to set if off, like the British shoe-bomber. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| That's ridiculous. If he needed time to set off a bomb, he wouldn't have screaming that he one in the first place. He would have kept his mouth shut and tried to set if off, like the British shoe-bomber. |
Truthfully though, blowing yourself up is quite ridiculous. Flying a plane into a building is quite ridiculous.
All that happened in this case was an unfortunate series of bad coincidences which led to the justifiable shooting of one mentally ill man. You can't question what the air marshals did because they really don't have the luxury of a week's worth of speculation like we've had on this board. They have a matter of seconds in which to make a decision that is life or death for everyone on the plane that they are on.
Just because someone is acting awkward and incinuating that he has a bomb, is not following the armed air marshals' orders, and erratically sprinting from the airplane does not exclude him from actually having a bomb. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Just because someone is acting awkward and incinuating that he has a bomb, is not following the armed air marshals' orders, and erratically sprinting from the airplane does not exclude him from actually having a bomb. |
Last I heard it is only the air marshalls who shot him who heard him talking about a bomb, and none of the passengers have asserted hearing anything like it. Sounds like it might be a convenient story cooked up after the fact for a bad judgement call, not all that different from the legendary "throwdown" weapon bad cops have been known to carry when they dioscover after the fact that they have shot an unarmed fella ...
And "acting awkward" and not following commands made by a guy with a gun who is not in uniform does not seem reason enough to receive several bullets as a gift from the USgov.
Are we really safer from having armed air marshalls on our planes? |
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