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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:58 am Post subject: |
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re: the "global warming" issue that rex raised.
Technically, it the theory has NOTHING to do with temperature. It is simply the amount of "energy" that is trapped in the earth's atmosphere.
That energy, depending on a multitude of different scenarios will affect areas differently: In a general sense, common patterns are simply exaggerated: Hot times are hotter; wet, wetter; dry, drier.
This is a simplified take on the issue but I think that if Rex understoo the issue a bit more he'da realized exactly what the greenpeace activist was getting at.
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Not only is the american economy booming, but the environmental issues are actually getting better. |
Actually guy, if you'd bothered to do a bit o research, you'd find that Canada was actually doing BETTER when one compares the carbon emissions to GDP (i think it was), or perhaps it was per billion dollar something or other.
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I have never agreed with the kyoto for many reasons. |
What are they?
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Harry Bryden at the Southampton Oceanography Centre in the UK, whose group carried out the analysis, says he is not yet sure if the change is temporary or signals a long-term trend. "We don��t want to say the circulation will shut down," he told New Scientist. |
so a single report has been released AND one of the authors is very uncertain as to it's applicability or "what it means".
I would say this is a hop skip and a jump away from a fart in a windstorm feller. and i ain't the only one who thinks that:
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But Richard Wood, chief oceanographer at the UK Met Office��s Hadley Centre for climate research in Exeter, says the Southampton team's findings leave a lot unexplained. |
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Gord

Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Dude you reveal your imbecillic lack of knowledge once more.
Once the ocean current shuts down due to masses of meltwater infusing it at the pole, it will stop bring the warm winds to N.America that is currently responsible for the mild climate up there. It can happen very quickly, and the signs are that its begun: a 25% slow down over the past 20 years.
Time for you to read up again, boyo. |
You might not want to insult people for an "imbecillic(sic) lack of knowledge" when the ocean currents in question apply to the Atlantic, not the Pacific. And perhaps correctly spelling the word declaring their intellectual shortcomings might help too.
While there is a minor north/south water-flow in the Pacific, it's effects are far less pronounced because the gap between Asia and North America is 90 kilometers across and relatively shallow all while connecting a larger pool of warmer water to a smaller pool of cooler water compared to the Atlantic. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so the world is getting warmer. What's the big deal? Temperature has always fluctuated on this planet. Some scientists have said we're technically still in an Ice age compared to the planet's not-too-distant history. I'd rather be in a nice age than an ice age. (ba-dump-bump) Anyway, my home state is Maine so you know, I'm rooting for global warming -go- -go- -go- ! |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: |
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my home state is Maine so you know, I'm rooting for global warming -go- -go- -go- ! |
The ultimate effect of global warming is a new ice age, so perhaps you're rooting for the wrong team. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:23 am Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
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my home state is Maine so you know, I'm rooting for global warming -go- -go- -go- ! |
The ultimate effect of global warming is a new ice age, so perhaps you're rooting for the wrong team. |
Ha ha ha... re-read what you just wrote, smartypants! LOL! |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:18 am Post subject: |
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It works like this:
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Britain may be basking in one of the hottest summers on record, but scientists now fear that the UK could face an abrupt switch to freezing winters and Icelandic summers.
Leading global warming experts suspect that climate change, instead of being a gradual and largely predictable process, could mean that Europe's weather patterns will worsen severely with very little warning.
At any time after 2010, their research suggests, Britain's average temperature could drop by up to 5C within as little as three or four years - with catastrophic results for farming, transport, northern towns and tourism.
That would leave Britain with the same average temperatures as Iceland, said Professor Jochem Marotze, one of Europe's leading oceanographers. "It would wreck agriculture the way we know it now," he said.
When southern Britain was sweltering with a record 38.1C (100.6F) last Sunday, residents of Iceland's capital, Reykjavik, endured rain and a much cooler 13C (55F).
Many scientists now believe that rapidly increasing CO2 emissions will exacerbate the natural cycle of hot and cold weather that led to the mini Ice Age of the 17th century by severely affecting natural ocean currents.
The natural cycle of hot and cold periods is chiefly responsible for this summer's heatwave, say climatologists. However, global-warming gases are very likely to have intensified its effects. |
So, in short, global warming melts the poles which causes temperature fluctuations in the oceans which affects ocean currents which ultimately leads to "The Day After Tomorrow".
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I have always maintained...and you may search my numerous posts on this...that...
The earth's weather is like a spoon balancing on a pin. Steady for a loooooong time. But keep adding grains of sand to that spoon...and one day..in an instant, that spoon will overbalance and flip upside down.
This is the earths ocean current,atmosphere and climate.
Not to mention probable magnetic pole shift.
Its about to change. Far more rapidly than expected. Scientists..and conservative people talk about climate change being gradual...(maybe our great grand children will have minor difficulties etc..)
Balls.!
Look at evidence from former ice ages. Wolly mammoths frozen in motion, preserved mid- meal. Cataclysmic climate change was not gradual..it was sudden! It may take multi-millenia to reach tipping point, but when it does, theres no stopping it.
The earths ecosystems are under unparrallelled stress...as never before.
Due mostly to human meddling in natural processes.
We are on the brink. The process has begun..been triggered.
Some scientists believe it is already too late: a runaway domino has begun.
Many others aren't sure where the point of no return is..and that we have a window of opportunity now to change things. Kyoto doesn't go far enough.The signs are thick and fast now that the "world out of balance" -as forecast millenia ago by native indians, for example..is upon us. The seasons have shifted, the weather more extreme and unpredictable. New weather records are set every year now: birds are nesting 2 weeks earlier than ever before, mammals are colonising territory unavailable to them for millenia previously.
The knowledge is there, the evidence is there. I believe humans are programmed with a default propensity to destroy our planet..out of greed. But we all know the choice between good and evil is still available to humanity. But is the will power?
I don't think so. Humanity has shown an amazing ability to knowingly self destruct for the thrill of short term gain. i believe that within our lifetimes..perhaps 15-20 years off..will be :
1) magnetic shift- tectonic realignment and chaos.
2) accelerating out of control climate change.
3) International warfare over dwindling resources. Involving Nuclear weapons.
4) A shutdown of ocean currents due to meltwater at the poles triggered by man -made global warming.
5)Rising sealevels as the arctic vanishes.
6) Increasing outbreaks of disease/pandemics as ultimate environmental destruction releases formerly contained viruses upon humanity. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
This knowledge is my Christmas present to you.  |
Mack, let me remind you what you wrote:
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The ultimate effect of global warming is a new ice age |
Now according to what I learned in mathematics and science in high school... the ultimate effect of global warming should be a warmer globe. Does that not click with logic and back-of-the-envelope common sense?
Some people don't understand the difference between theory and fact. I know you meant to say, "the ultimate effect of Global Warming Theory #27 is a new ice age..." but that's not what you said. There are a thousand theories of Global Warming and not one of them is known for sure. I said I was rooting for global warming (as in the English meaning of those words) not some hokey theory. Do some reading! |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Some people don't understand the difference between theory and fact. I know you meant to say, "the ultimate effect of Global Warming Theory #27 is a new ice age..." but that's not what you said. There are a thousand theories of Global Warming and not one of them is known for sure. I said I was rooting for global warming (as in the English meaning of those words) not some hokey theory. Do some reading! |
I've done the math, and the math says you're rooting for the wrong team. But hey, it's YOUR money. |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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mack the knife wrote: |
I've done the math, and the math says you're rooting for the wrong team. But hey, it's YOUR money. |
What kind of math? Here is the equation for global warming:
temperature + (positive number) = warmer temperature
All the rest of the stuff included in your message is wild speculation and unsupported hypotheses. There are a dozen other equally popular and equally unsupported hypotheses. So when I talk about global warming I'm talking about the globe getting warmer. I guess you didn't realize that's what I was trying to say. |
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