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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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All depends on the public/private school.
My school is ultra strict about dress code. Suit, tie, slacks, and dress shoes. In the summer we are allowed to take off the suit and wear short sleeve dress shirts. If I showed up in jeans, they'd probably fire me on the spot.
Other schools I've seen let the waegukin teach in jeans and beer stained t-shirts.
In general public schools are lienant than "private" school regarding dress codes.
And, as has been said, the better you dress the more respect you get from the students.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| inspector gadget wrote: |
First of all thanks for the reply, so casual clothes in good repair is formal enough then. Thats cool, I have been wearing a suit or tux everyday for the past 7 months so no tie is cool with me. I may stuff a blazer in my luggage and a couple ties.
I will be teaching the girls in middle school, tough nut to crack some of them as I remember but I'll enjoy the challenge.
Thanks a bundle |
I teach 1/3 girls middle school. Dressing a bit smart really does seem to help get more respect. Bring a few blazers and get a sharp haircut.
They should be a lot of fun to teach, but it takes a lot of energy. If you like singing you'll have it made. Get ready for a huge reception the first week, but don't mistake nascent enthusiasm for English skills and aptitude or a love of a new foreign English teacher for a love of learning English. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| schwa wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| jacl wrote: |
| Wear a T-shirt, shorts and sandals in the middle of winter. Dress code. Give me a break. Dress codes are for crappy teachers. |
Sarcasm? |
I doubt it. Long posting record of slagging public school teaching based on, what? -- a few months experience in a hagwon. Strong opinions, weak credibility. |
I've noticed this too. Anytime anyone posts about their public school job and how they are enjoying it, he's there to rain on their parade. Wonder what's it to him? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| jacl wrote: |
| Wear a T-shirt, shorts and sandals in the middle of winter. Dress code. Give me a break. Dress codes are for crappy teachers. |
Sarcasm? |
I doubt it. Long posting record of slagging public school teaching based on, what? -- a few months experience in a hagwon. Strong opinions, weak credibility. |
I've noticed this too. Anytime anyone posts about their public school job and how they are enjoying it, he's there to rain on their parade. Wonder what's it to him? |
He can piss all he wants but I've got a big canopy of happiness hanging over me to deflect it. Public schools aren't perfect, there are some good hogwans, and some people are better suited to hogwans, but I know I'm not the only one who found hogwans crap and high school a real joy to work at. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't get what the problem is with having to wear a tie.
If you work in a professional environment as a professional, don't you think you should fit the part?
Those who think students don't respect you, let me ask this:
If you are working in a school (public/private) do the students wear ties with their uniform? If so, why shouldn't you be wearing a tie? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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I've just never, in all my life, been a tie person. Nothing inherently wrong with them, I guess, but when I put one on I feel like I'm headed to a costume party.
| jacl wrote: |
| schwa wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| jacl wrote: |
| Wear a T-shirt, shorts and sandals in the middle of winter. Dress code. Give me a break. Dress codes are for crappy teachers. |
Sarcasm? |
I doubt it. Long posting record of slagging public school teaching based on, what? -- a few months experience in a hagwon. Strong opinions, weak credibility. |
...based on too many students in one class. A few months? Try 3 years teaching in Asia. I know what I'm doing. Do you? |
A larger class is simply a different dynamic.
I worked 2 years in a hagwon & I too was convinced smaller was better. If a class of 8 crept up to 10 or 12 I let the director know my displeasure. 15 or 20 kids in a room seemed the stuff of nightmares.
But coming up 5 years of middle school teaching now, I'm completely at ease in front of 36 or 38 kids. Its not rocket science. There are lots of techniques to elicit attention, involvement, & practice with larger classes. The kids do learn.
Sure, I'd prefer classes of 20 (an ideal number in my opinion). But I'd guess classes of 30+ are close to the norm the world over, including I presume in jacl's own experience as a student. Education happens. Its not all about one-on-one with the students.
You might in fact be doing quite well with your students, jacl, but do please relax your unfounded criticism of others in different situations. They might well be doing excellent work.
Sorry to hijack the OP's thread. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
I don't get what the problem is with having to wear a tie.
If you work in a professional environment as a professional, don't you think you should fit the part?
Those who think students don't respect you, let me ask this:
If you are working in a school (public/private) do the students wear ties with their uniform? If so, why shouldn't you be wearing a tie? |
I don't like ties. I wear them when it's appropriate, but for a regular teaching day I dress comfortably.
Ties for middle school seems overdressed. When I went through school only one of my teachers wore a tie regularly, and it was a bowtie, and he was about 60. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| In the States very few of my teachers wore ties regularly. In Korea I was the only male teacher who didn't wear one every day (PE teachers excepted). |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| About half the male teachers at my HS don't wear a tie - I'm happy to join their ranks 95% of the time. |
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Pak Yu Man
Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
I don't get what the problem is with having to wear a tie.
If you are working in a school (public/private) do the students wear ties with their uniform? If so, why shouldn't you be wearing a tie? |
Exactly. I wear a suit everyday, tie and all.
It's all politics. P or V.P sees you in a suit....he/she's happy.
They see you dressed like a hobo, they might start looking for a prettier white guy. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Pak Yu Man wrote: |
| Mr. Pink wrote: |
I don't get what the problem is with having to wear a tie.
If you are working in a school (public/private) do the students wear ties with their uniform? If so, why shouldn't you be wearing a tie? |
Exactly. I wear a suit everyday, tie and all.
It's all politics. P or V.P sees you in a suit....he/she's happy.
They see you dressed like a hobo, they might start looking for a prettier white guy. |
This is really true. My first year teaching at a high school I didn't wear a tie everyday, but I always dressed nice. Dress shirts and dress pants with dress shoes. My coworker at the time used to wear jeans, tshirts, running shoes...you get the idea. He didn't get renewed at the end of his contract. Now I am pretty sure if he dressed "up" a little more, the impression the VP had of him would have risen.
Wearing a tie in summer doesn't work in this country...the kids change into a t-shirt type of deal because of the heat. I think in the winter time though, ties are good for impressions and keeping you warm! |
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