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chest rockwell
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Location: Sanbon
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 Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: That noise Koreans make when they put emphasis |
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into their words.
Sounds funny first time you hear it doesnt it?  I still kinda chuckle to myself when somebody does it really strongly. |
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periwinkle
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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Oooh- I hate that. It's like nails on chalkboard. Well, coughing up a hairball is more like it. I wonder if they teach you how to do in advanced Korean classes...  |
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keithinkorea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds weird to us weyggookin folks but once you get used to it it's an important means of expression. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:10 am Post subject: |
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I've asked almost every Korean I know about that sound, and literally every person had no idea what I meant. Apparently, it's such a part of their speech that they don't typically notice it.
Over time, I've come to acknowledge it as a means of emphasis, as the thread title suggests. It's still sorta funny sounding, and definitely turns me off if I hear a girl do it. Kinda like hearing her fart or something. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:17 am Post subject: �ѱ��� ����! |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: �ѱ��� ����! |
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| Bee Positive wrote: |
My language skills are not well developed (call me roughly intermediate level, nothing more), but I have noticed this:
The more highly educated Koreans are, the more dulcet-toned they are.
My current boss holds an advanced degree from the University of Pennsylvania. He's about as well-educated and refined as hakwon owners, anyway, come.
I listen to him speak Korean for extended periods of time during teachers' meetings. He never makes that hacking sound. He never shouts. Nothing in his speech is overly aspirated, overly guttural, or otherwise unpleasant to the ear.
I once sat through an extended interview between my boss and a parent who is, by profession, an anesthesiologist. AND the wife of a hospital director. Big-time upper-middle class.
They both spoke Korean so beautifully, in such sweet dulcet tones, that it almost lulled me to sleep.
I'm sorry to sound classist (whoops--what kind of Marxist am I?), but I think that it's among the "lower orders" that you'll hear the guttural, hawking-up-phlegm noises that make Korean at times sound like the ugliest language on earth.
Get among "a better class of people," and you might be surprised at how pleasant it can sound!
�ѱ��� ����!
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How do the "upper classes" emphasise something then? |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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With a hefty bribe........  |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| that gutteral sound almost seems German |
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xeno439
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I too have asked several Koreans about the sound. They vehemently deny its existence. I have know idea why. The Russians have a letter for that sound in Cyrillic. It is romanized as 'kh', but most Russian language books tell you to make a clearing of the throat sound. |
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:20 am Post subject: |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| I find it charming, really. I agree it is more common among the working class and in the southern provinces. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Bee Positive wrote: |
| xeno439 wrote: |
| I too have asked several Koreans about the sound. They vehemently deny its existence. I have know idea why. The Russians have a letter for that sound in Cyrillic. It is romanized as 'kh', but most Russian language books tell you to make a clearing of the throat sound. |
Ha, you've just invited me to put on my Russian hat. (Did four years of it at the University of Washington many ages ago.)
The Russian "x," which looks exactly like an English x in both majuscule and miniscule forms, is indeed an aspirated sound, roughly equivalent to the German or Scots Gaelic "ch."
Examples include "xlep," the Russian word for bread, a distant cognate of our own "loaf."
I've never heard it pronounced so emphatically as that really horrible, awful Korean sound which is under discussion here.
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And don't forget the German 'ch' sound, as pronounced in the word 'auch'.
Many languages have phonemes that are 'guttural' aspirated sounds, although they are not necessarily used for emphasis as in Korean.
Have a look at the methods used to express emphasis in English. They are pretty odd, too--although they probably aren't as startling to the uninitiated as the Korean sound that we are discussing. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| I find it charming, really. I agree it is more common among the working class and in the southern provinces. |
Yes, it seems to be more common within that register of the southern dialect. |
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MeanyMichi
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
And don't forget the German 'ch' sound, as pronounced in the word 'auch'. |
This sound is not nearly as strong as the one Koreans make.
Maybe in some parts of Germany, or Switzerland
(or when said by non-native German speakers who overemphasize
the sound because they want to sound ike a native speaker),
but most Germans make a very soft sound that is not in the least
annoying. |
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