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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
Yu wrote
Do you even teach English or do you use a different sock to talk about education because you're too embarrassed to let everyone know what your political views are?



I have no idea what this question means.


I just find it a little strange why some people on an ESL forum would never talk about teaching English - unless they use one sock for discussing education and another for making horrible political statements.
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sundubuman



Joined: 04 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a current events forum. I've taught ESL for 9 years, it's the last thing I want to talk about.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yu wrote


It would be interesting to ask educated, un/poorly employed Americans who also pay a fairly high rate of taxes and also often have to put up with a lot of PC crap in a country swarming with fat chicks why they *wouldn't* consider a teaching job in Korea. "Uh, don't you need a passport to do that? ... isn't Korea dangerous? ... like, aren't they communist? ... I dunno, sounds weird..."

You're right about Canadians and Americans being far too similar, but the knee-jerk negativity towards life abroad is far more common in one than the other. On the other hand, most of the Americans who do come over (with a few noteable exceptions) are a lot diffferent from what you'd find at, say, the Fourth of July festival at the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park.

___________________________________________


You just dig and dig don't you? Swarming with fat chicks?

Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park????

I'm guessing you are a big supporter of the Nunavtian National Liberation Front.

I'm sure, beneath it all, you are a decent person, but frankly, you and your spreading anti-American stereotypes among young Koreans makes me sick.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sundubuman wrote:
yu wrote


It would be interesting to ask educated, un/poorly employed Americans who also pay a fairly high rate of taxes and also often have to put up with a lot of PC crap in a country swarming with fat chicks why they *wouldn't* consider a teaching job in Korea. "Uh, don't you need a passport to do that? ... isn't Korea dangerous? ... like, aren't they communist? ... I dunno, sounds weird..."

You're right about Canadians and Americans being far too similar, but the knee-jerk negativity towards life abroad is far more common in one than the other. On the other hand, most of the Americans who do come over (with a few noteable exceptions) are a lot diffferent from what you'd find at, say, the Fourth of July festival at the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park.

___________________________________________


You just dig and dig don't you? Swarming with fat chicks?

Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park????

I'm guessing you are a big supporter of the Nunavtian National Liberation Front.

I'm sure, beneath it all, you are a decent person, but frankly, you and your spreading anti-American stereotypes among young Koreans makes me sick.


Happy to hear that. Back at the office I have a great pic from Fourth of July festival at Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park I'll have to upload. I had a really hot frog girlfriend (I was the only person she knew in St Louis who spoke French so I ended up with her) who had a fireworks fetish and insisted we go all three days. The Beach Boys of all people were performing and it was hilarious to watch all the Migook ajummas who knew all the lyrics singing and dancing along. Talk about two Americas, though - comparing that to say University City, St Louis. Joe Budweiser and Large Marge walking around in their mustard-stained undershirts with their fat, snot-nosed kids in toe. These are the people deciding the world's future and we have to spend the whole weekend with them??? Pouvons-nous aller chez nous, please, pretty-please! On peut regarder les feux d'artifice au television! Je payerai pour la pizza. Svp Svp Svp aller chez nous!!!!!
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gypsyfish wrote:
I've noticed that when the word pronunciation is mispronounced, it's always Canadians who do it. They say proNOUNciation, instead of proNUNciation. I'd heard it so much, I even looked it up to see if there was an alternate pronunciation. There's not. (Controversy, on the other hand can be pronounced CONtroversy or conTROVersy.)

Not all Canadians say it wrong, but if it's mispronounced, it's a Canadian.


Just noticed this. It could also be a Brit though.

ColOUr--------------------color
honOUr-------------------honor

The above MIGHT be why we say PronOUNciation as opposed to pronunciation.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
You're right about Canadians and Americans being far too similar, but the knee-jerk negativity towards life abroad is far more common in one than the other. On the other hand, most of the Americans who do come over (with a few noteable exceptions) are a lot diffferent from what you'd find at, say, the Fourth of July festival at the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park.


One huge reason why the percentage of Americans that travel or live abroad is less than Canada is because, unlike Canada, the U.S. has everything you'd ever want...

Tropical beaches, Disney World, Vegas, mountians, plains, skiing, swimming, big cities, small towns.

You couuld travel the U.S. all you want and find anything and everything you'd want to find. Which happens more: Americans vacationing in Canada, or Canadians vacationing in the States? Why?
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shortskirt_longjacket



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Pro-American Candain Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Canada's far from the greatest country on earth and it's government is screwed up in some ways, but it's still a lot less worse than the US.


Obviously not when it comes to teaching grammar and syntax.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:

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Which happens more: Americans vacationing in Canada, or Canadians vacationing in the States? Why?


Because someone has to wear those tight Speedos on Florida beaches.

Very Happy
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Pro-American Candain Reply with quote

shortskirt_longjacket wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Canada's far from the greatest country on earth and it's government is screwed up in some ways, but it's still a lot less worse than the US.


Obviously not when it comes to teaching grammar and syntax.


"Less worse" has become commonly accepted grammar in Canada when it comes to discussing America.
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu Bum Suk is basically the intellectual equivalent of Dulouz or Sundubuman. This should be kept in mind when deciding how much time and energy to devote to responding to his posts.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
You're right about Canadians and Americans being far too similar, but the knee-jerk negativity towards life abroad is far more common in one than the other. On the other hand, most of the Americans who do come over (with a few noteable exceptions) are a lot diffferent from what you'd find at, say, the Fourth of July festival at the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park.


One huge reason why the percentage of Americans that travel or live abroad is less than Canada is because, unlike Canada, the U.S. has everything you'd ever want...

Tropical beaches, Disney World, Vegas, mountians, plains, skiing, swimming, big cities, small towns.

You couuld travel the U.S. all you want and find anything and everything you'd want to find. Which happens more: Americans vacationing in Canada, or Canadians vacationing in the States? Why?


According to Canada customs (and I will post the link on request) about 30 million Americans cross the border every year. That's equivilent to the ENTIRE population of Canada. Since it is silly to suggest that the ENTIRE population of Canada goes on vacation to the United States, obviously more Americans vacation in Canada.

Next time before posting your opinion make sure the facts back it up.
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Pligganease wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
You're right about Canadians and Americans being far too similar, but the knee-jerk negativity towards life abroad is far more common in one than the other. On the other hand, most of the Americans who do come over (with a few noteable exceptions) are a lot diffferent from what you'd find at, say, the Fourth of July festival at the Jefferson National Expansion Memorial Park.


One huge reason why the percentage of Americans that travel or live abroad is less than Canada is because, unlike Canada, the U.S. has everything you'd ever want...

Tropical beaches, Disney World, Vegas, mountians, plains, skiing, swimming, big cities, small towns.

You couuld travel the U.S. all you want and find anything and everything you'd want to find. Which happens more: Americans vacationing in Canada, or Canadians vacationing in the States? Why?


According to Canada customs (and I will post the link on request) about 30 million Americans cross the border every year. That's equivilent to the ENTIRE population of Canada. Since it is silly to suggest that the ENTIRE population of Canada goes on vacation to the United States, obviously more Americans vacation in Canada.

Next time before posting your opinion make sure the facts back it up.


OK.... How about percentages?
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 million is only 10% of the American population. I would bet that a much larger percentage of Canadians visit the states every year.
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sundubuman



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the following is from an August Economist article

But they are not following a trend. Americans are travelling abroad less, and Canada is no exception. Americans made almost 10m fewer trips to Canada in 2004 than they did in 2000. Hardest hit is Ontario; Americans made up 95% of visitors to the province. (Alberta and British Columbia rely more on Asian visitors and Quebec looks east to European tourists.) William Fatt, the boss of Fairmont Hotels and Resorts, which manages a string of posh hotels in Canada as well as London's Savoy Hotel, said his group's profits would be lower this year because the strong loonie and border hassles were keeping American customers away.

The Ontario government is surveying potential American tourists to find out why they are staying away. Border issues were the main reason, but respondents also mentioned the SARS respiratory infection, which hit Canada in 2003, mad-cow disease, terrorism and the fact that Canada recognises homosexual marriages.

The latest survey contained two other findings that suggest many Canadians and Americans will not soon go back to their previous friendly habit of dropping in on each other. One is that America is phasing in a new requirement for its citizens travelling to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean to have passports. Since only 34% of Americans over the age of 18 have a passport (compared with 41% of Canadians), tourism officials north of the border fear that potential visitors will be deterred by the extra paperwork. More worryingly, respondents gave anti-Americanism among Canadians as the second most important reason they were inclined to stay at home. Greg Hermus, of the Canadian Tourism Research Institute, an industry body, says that Canadians have similar fears about American attitudes. ��Both sides feel less welcome in the other country.�� The change in travel habits may be much more than a passing blip.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up in Michigan.. there are 3 bridges to Ontario.. my parents live somewhat near one.

The mass majority of those going across back and forth have either Michigan or Ontario license plates on their cars. There are also continous lines all day and night - many of them commerce-related semi-trucks as well.

In short, its not a big deal for people in Michigan to just drive across to save money on whatevers cheaper on the other side (and vice versa) on a very regular basis. It also makes a good Sunday drive to drive up the other side of the shoreline.

In short, I'd be extremely suspicious of these 30 million visits by Americans as unique visits representing 1 person each.
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