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Am I not allowed to come back to Korea?
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tomwaits



Joined: 05 Feb 2003
Location: PC Bong

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey:

Good old Miss Polly.

NH? Anyway I'm good but can't shake ROK outta me and want to come back---seems a common thing eh?

Doubt they will let me be legal so I could do the tourist thing....That must be tough these days though.
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try:
Taiwan
Japan
China
Thailand
Kuwait
Poland
Mexico
France
Russia
Iraq
Rwanda

Somebody is hiring English teachers in a nicer place than Korea.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate to try this again but I need to find out if I am unable to come back. I am not in Korea and have no idea of how to contact immigration. So if someone has a phone number or email that would be more useful. Just telling me to contact immigration is not help. If I was able to contact them directly, I wouldn't have needed help. Thanks if someone can direct me to a web page or phone number. Thank you.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can call Seoul Immigration at 02-2650-6221, but I'd be really surprised if you got anywhere with it.

And I don't know how a recruiter is going to know that kind of info, either. Do you really think that a recruiter actually took the time to pre-emptively solicit immigration for visa eligibity for every prospective name in their inbox or on job websites, before they even email the teacher to see if they are interested in what they are peddling? We're talking about the same recruiters who only care about warm bodies that say 'yes', regardless if you are toting around a fake degree. To my knowledge, there hasn't been any website that had a listing of blacklisted teachers for about 3 years, and that was on a recruiter site. It's since disappeared and when it was active, it wasn't reflecting teachers who were offically blacklisted by immigration. Just the unsubstantiated grinding of axes about ex-teachers, just like what teachers do about ex-schools and recruiters.

I'm assuming that in your outgoing solicitations to look for jobs, that you made some reference to the circumstances involving your last job, and they sent an automatic response of that you can't come back, which translates to "we're not sure if you can get an E2, but we don't want to waste our time in pitching you to our clients and risk the embarrassment of finding out during the visa process that you are ineligible, and we would rather use that time recruiting a teacher who doesn't have a dicey history of employment over here."
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Shooter McGavin



Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your experience before was so bad, why would you want to jump through hoops to come back? I mean, it sounds like you're going to another hagwon... why?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:

I'm assuming that in your outgoing solicitations to look for jobs, that you made some reference to the circumstances involving your last job, and they sent an automatic response of that you can't come back, which translates to "we're not sure if you can get an E2, but we don't want to waste our time in pitching you to our clients and risk the embarrassment of finding out during the visa process that you are ineligible, and we would rather use that time recruiting a teacher who doesn't have a dicey history of employment over here."


This hit the nail on the head.
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Bee Positive



Joined: 27 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Re: Am I not allowed to come back to Korea? Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:


you can not work legally for a year until your original visa expires!
BUT.. you can have your ex boss sign a release letter and then you will be allowed to resign with another school..
you can fly back in tomorrow on a tourist visa not problem..



I used to think this way too. It is, after all, "common knowledge," here on Dave's anyway.

However . . .

I quit halfway through a job that was killing me a little under a year ago.

Trying to line up overseas work back home in the States, I initially ruled out Korea, thinking that I couldn't return within the one-year period. ("Common knowledge" at work.)

Finally, I was made such a great job offer here in Korea that I got on the phone to my previous employer for a release letter.

Horrible person that she is and was, she said: Well yes, I'd be HAPPY to write you a release letter. For, let's say . . . 500,000 won?

I lost very little time in hanging up the phone. Screw that, I thought. This woman is NOT going to extort from me, rob me, trip me up or use me and abuse me IN ANY WAY. Not anymore, that is.

So I just plain accepted the new job offer, came back to Korea with fingers crossed, and went ahead with the visa processing. I'd left the previous job off my resume, and so presumably my new boss didn't know about it.

And what do you know?

It was no problem.

No problem AT ALL!

The previous job never came up as an issue with Immigration. I don't think my new boss knows, even now, that I worked there. (Unless Immigration informed him and demanded a bribe--who knows?)

More likely scenario:

That last work visa was cancelled when I left the last job. (Check.)

I came back into Korea on a tourist visa. (Check.)

Immigration didn't care at all about my prior work experience here in Korea (since my prior employer didn't seem to have blackballed me), and so issued me a new work visa with NO QUESTIONS ASKED. (Apparent check.)

My advice to you:

Do what I did. Just plain forget your last job, even if it WAS within the past 12 months. If you've got a new job lined up here, come on back and take it.

Of course, I can't guarantee that Immigration will treat you as they did me. I can only suggest that it may be possible.


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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing === Nice advice you just gave. What about the school that is hiring him? If he comes to Korea and can't get a visa then the school is hurt because they paid for his ticket and expected a teacher. Great advice.... Why should he come to Korea if he isn't sure about employment status? This kind of thing gives us a bad reputation and schools may stop offering the flight money upfront. Many new teachers need the fight paid upfront (or returned early)to come here and this kind of thing hurts that system. Don't give people this kind of advice because it doesn't help him or the school and actually may encourage him to do what you said.
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Bee Positive



Joined: 27 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bellum99 wrote:
Laughing === Nice advice you just gave. What about the school that is hiring him? If he comes to Korea and can't get a visa then the school is hurt because they paid for his ticket and expected a teacher. Great advice.... Why should he come to Korea if he isn't sure about employment status? This kind of thing gives us a bad reputation and schools may stop offering the flight money upfront. Many new teachers need the fight paid upfront (or returned early)to come here and this kind of thing hurts that system. Don't give people this kind of advice because it doesn't help him or the school and actually may encourage him to do what you said.



You do make a good point. A very good point. In fact, I'm cringing now and covered in embarrassment (no irony intended), since I could, in fact, as you suggest, have caused big problems for my present employer by not fully disclosing to them what I'd done in the past.

MY point, meanwhile, is simply that I tested the 12-month theory and--rightly or wrongly--found that it was not a problem for me.

So if my experience is anything to go by, the 12-month rule may in fact be a kind of urban legend. I say "may" because of course I can't be sure that Immigration will treat everyone in the way they did me.

Final point: I have reason to believe that I'm a DAMN good teacher. How do I know this? Students tell me so. Fellow teachers tell me so. My BOSS tells me so. I've got the knowledge; I've got the heart, and I'm good at what I do. Consequently, I feel good about having come back to Korea with the right intentions. I feel good about having helped so many students over the past half year with their English. The silly, petty, ridiculous little legalisms which Immigration thrust on us are simply not something I'm going to allow to stand in the way of my teaching, if I can possibly help it. I care about my students too much. I care about myself too much. Life is too short to be spent wondering about how bureaucratic legalese may trip you up--when you're qualified, committed, and ready to do good work, that is.

How about if we just leave this thing up to the conscience of the individual teacher?


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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you. In the end it is up to the individual.

(I heard if you go to a different province when you come back, you have a higher chance of slipping back into the system.)
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seoulmon



Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hay Frankly Speaking,

Sounds like you worry too much. Koreans are terrible unorganized, I doubt they kept track of you.

About the recruiter: Recruiters are loosers. See the 3 billion or so posts on DAVE's.

In the end, what do you do if no one in Korean wants to hire you? Take it as a sign. You were never ment to go to Korea. Make the hop over to Japan.
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