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Homer
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You are corrected barking as I have no idea what you are talking about...or if you were talking about me in that post....
As for the glee and petiness mentionned by Urban, I think he has a valid point there. Eamo, you are going beyond a simple commentary on the media here and how they (in your opinion) pander to nationalism. You are clearly into the "in your face" territory where you seem to get some pleasure out of this recent scandal. The question here is why would this scandal bring you such joy?
Did you jump on the same joy train when other such scandals happened in other nations?
As far as nationalism here, it is indeed alive and well. Korean history explains this state of affairs. Korea is far from alone in being a very nationalistic country. Many other nations round the world have nationalistic feelings of similar intensity.
This still does not explain why some on here take (and this is as clear as it could be) a basic pleasure in this scandal and in the fallout it has on Korea. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Eamo, you are going beyond a simple commentary on the media here and how they (in your opinion) pander to nationalism. You are clearly into the "in your face" territory where you seem to get some pleasure out of this recent scandal. The question here is why would this scandal bring you such joy? |
I'm from one of the most nationalistic countries in the world. Northern Ireland. I recognize ugly nationalism when I see it. However, in my home country, the nationalism is balanced and checked by it's consequences. Over 3000 people have been killed in N. Ireland because of fervent nationalist beliefs.
In the Korean context the rabid nationalism is not checked as this is a homongenous culture. Nationalism is seen as patriotism and not criticised. So, the only chance Koreans get to see a hole in their construct (that korea and Koreans are somehow superior) is when one of their own slip up in this way.
I don't take pleasure in Dr. Hwang being exposed. I just think it serves to make the more nationalistic Koreans question whether their peerceptions of korea were entirely accurate.
So Homer. Of course I know nationalism exists in other countries and I don't much like that either. I'm sure I would have chortled a little at Hitler's Olympics in the 30's when black athletes outperformed the so-called master race. And no, I'm not comparing Nazi Germany to modern korea. It's just nice to see arrogance taken down a peg. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| It's just nice to see arrogance taken down a peg. |
Ok..thats a different animal all together...makes more sense now. |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| Many other nations round the world have nationalistic feelings of similar intensity. |
Which nations? |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| I'm sure I would have chortled a little at Hitler's Olympics in the 30's when black athletes outperformed the so-called master race. And no, I'm not comparing Nazi Germany to modern korea. It's just nice to see arrogance taken down a peg. |
I dont want to seem like I am supporting Hitler by correcting you, but the Germans won that Olympics games. There were only a handful of events in which American blacks actually won, and Jesse Owens notably won in four events. The German team won 89 medals, and the second placed team, the US, won 56 medals. The majority of the participants in that Olympic games were white, which would mean a victory for 'Aryans' regardless of which white country won. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I don't jump with glee at the whole Hwang lie scandal. I do, however, chuckle a lot when I hear stories about how nationalistic he was, and the outright racist statements he apparently made. It is just so Correeeaahhh.
And to have this event turn out to be one big lie/cheat situation once again seems oh so much like Correeeaaahhhh.
Although Real Reality posts the same old stuff over and over again, his link to the article about how Korea is a nation full of cheaters (or whatever it says) is dead-on. I don't know of any foreigners here in Korea who were jumping for joy over the fall of Hwang. I do know of a lot of foreigners who shake their heads with a sort of understanding chuckle, and are not at all shocked that such a thing could happen here. I can think of few situations that could better illustrate some of Korea's biggest problems: lies, corruption, cheating, racist nationalism, bally-bally, saving face, etc. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: LOGIC |
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"Eamo" - You're correct about "Theurbanmyth"(brickwall) on this thread or recent comment!
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Get back under your bridge there fella
Why are you taking potshots at me? Did I humilate you in an argument and this is your way of getting back at me? |
UM, this is a rather petty thing to take offence to - which is rather ironic, considering the debate on this thread ...
Do you have any opinions on Buymybook's more moderate comments?
Are you above pettiness, UM? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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(Please correct me if I'm mistaken).
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You are corrected barking as I have no idea what you are talking about...or if you were talking about me in that post.... |
I accept that my reference was irrelevent.
However, if you suggest that you are above pettiness, then you are signing up to be judged by higher standards than the rest of us. This applies to everyone. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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My nextdoor neighbors have discussed Dr Hwang with me. I'm totally not interested in the matter, but Koreans always ask me what I think. They, my neighbors, blame Hwang's actions on Korean 'quickly, quickly' culture. In the 1980s, they say, South Korea was very poor with a lot of unemployment. Now, it's mega-rich. This has resulted in unbelievable impatience in Koreans. I don't even agree with them, but that's their thesis. My neighbours also tell me how much they like waygook salam. They're grateful because we helped them in the Korean War. For every hagwon monkey who's never been outside North America before ("Oh my God, someone bumped into me!") there's a dashing bon viveur like me who has TAKEN THE RESPONSIBILITY to better one's self via a true understanding of reality.
So Koreans see themselves as Korean first and human second...WOW...so do Americans (I don't see Korean homes with the flag outside the door like EVERY SINGLE F-ING HOME in PA); so do the English, so do the Scots, so do the Israelis, so do the French, so do the Irish, so do the Argentinians, so does F-ING EVERYONE!
Grow up for F-CK'S sake! |
Spinoza, just a question ...
How do you feel when you read emotive complaints on this forum? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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When the United States put a man on the moon (and got him back in one piece), for example, there was certainly pride, but the accomplishment itself was seen first and foremost as one shared by all humankind. |
Nice humankind flag he's got there.
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hahahaha |
One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: Re: LOGIC |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| buymybook wrote: |
"Eamo" - You're correct about "Theurbanmyth"(brickwall) on this thread or recent comment!
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Get back under your bridge there fella
Why are you taking potshots at me? Did I humilate you in an argument and this is your way of getting back at me? |
(1) UM, this is a rather petty thing to take offence to - which is rather ironic, considering the debate on this thread ...
(2) Do you have any opinions on Buymybook's more moderate comments?
(3) Are you above pettiness, UM? |
(Numbers are mine)
(1) If you will look back through the thread, you will see that this is Buymybook's only post on this thread. In this single post he made an inflamatory remark and hasn't been back to support it (trolling in other words.) Offense? Surely you jest. Do you take offense when a mosquito bites you? No, you swat it and move on.
(2) His more moderate comments were addressed to other members. It is up to them to respond.
(3) I try hard, but sometimes you just have to stoop to someone's level to get the message across. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: |
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shakuhachi...you are joking right?
Which other nations?
Ok...lets see.
Nations with intense nationalistic feelings:
Poland
Japan (even if it shows less than here)
The US (in certain areas)
Many eastern European countries
The list goes on my friend.
Does this mean I am saying that this makes Korea better or excuse the sometimes over the top nationalism here? Nope.
It means I am able to put it in perspective.
Big black,
That is just ignorant on your part to call Korea a nation of cheaters and liars...in fact, all it does is make you look like a bigot and a judgemental person. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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My nextdoor neighbors have discussed Dr Hwang with me. I'm totally not interested in the matter, but Koreans always ask me what I think. They, my neighbors, blame Hwang's actions on Korean 'quickly, quickly' culture. In the 1980s, they say, South Korea was very poor with a lot of unemployment. Now, it's mega-rich. This has resulted in unbelievable impatience in Koreans. I don't even agree with them, but that's their thesis. My neighbours also tell me how much they like waygook salam. They're grateful because we helped them in the Korean War. For every hagwon monkey who's never been outside North America before ("Oh my God, someone bumped into me!") there's a dashing bon viveur like me who has TAKEN THE RESPONSIBILITY to better one's self via a true understanding of reality.
So Koreans see themselves as Korean first and human second...WOW...so do Americans (I don't see Korean homes with the flag outside the door like EVERY SINGLE F-ING HOME in PA); so do the English, so do the Scots, so do the Israelis, so do the French, so do the Irish, so do the Argentinians, so does F-ING EVERYONE!
Grow up for F-CK'S sake! |
Spinoza, just a question ...
How do you feel when you read emotive complaints on this forum? |
I think "fook off home!" |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
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My nextdoor neighbors have discussed Dr Hwang with me. I'm totally not interested in the matter, but Koreans always ask me what I think. They, my neighbors, blame Hwang's actions on Korean 'quickly, quickly' culture. In the 1980s, they say, South Korea was very poor with a lot of unemployment. Now, it's mega-rich. This has resulted in unbelievable impatience in Koreans. I don't even agree with them, but that's their thesis. My neighbours also tell me how much they like waygook salam. They're grateful because we helped them in the Korean War. For every hagwon monkey who's never been outside North America before ("Oh my God, someone bumped into me!") there's a dashing bon viveur like me who has TAKEN THE RESPONSIBILITY to better one's self via a true understanding of reality.
So Koreans see themselves as Korean first and human second...WOW...so do Americans (I don't see Korean homes with the flag outside the door like EVERY SINGLE F-ING HOME in PA); so do the English, so do the Scots, so do the Israelis, so do the French, so do the Irish, so do the Argentinians, so does F-ING EVERYONE!
Grow up for F-CK'S sake! |
Spinoza, just a question ...
How do you feel when you read emotive complaints on this forum? |
I think "fook off home!" |
OK then, that's established.
So, with that in mind, how would you describe your "F-ING" post? |
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