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chiaa
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Answer this question please.
If you are walking down the road and you see a man beating the *beep* out of a mentally challenged  ���� person, I mean really smacking this defensless guy around, would you break up the fight? |
Yes. If I could.
But suppose the man explained that this guy was a pedophile and he caught the guy going after his 4 year old daughter? |
If you see a much stronger person beating the crap out of a weaker person that does not mean you should start fighting on the side of the weaker person. It simply means (in my eyes) you should stop the fight/the person from being picked on. To just jump in and beating the crap out of the larger guy/person winning the fight is just plain stupid because as you said he could be beating the shit out of a pedophile (if that's the case you might want to lend him a hand). |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Now let's look at Canada
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3711/is_200508/ai_n15704707
Over 21000 cases. And Canada has a population of 30 million as opposed to Korea's 45 million.
Also the rate of domestic violence leading to murder is much higher in both Canada and America.
So for all these people so concerned about domestic violence why don't you go back home and join an advocacy group or something? After all it is much worse there and you can actually do something as opposed to here.
If you don't then we can just dismiss your opinions as hatred of Korea attempting to disguise itself as concern for battered women. Because if you were so really concerned, why aren't you back in the West, where it is worse and you CAN make a difference? |
Canada - I come home late at night and from my apartment I can hear the white trash down the road yelling and swearing at each other. I look out the window and see a fairly small woman charging at this huge guy with another woman trying to keep her away. The guy doesn't want to attack her but is happy to send her flying backwards. If they get into a fight she's likely to get injured. I call the cops, and by the time they arrive friends have broken the couple apart. However, they arrest the guy, probably as a precaution, while the woman bangs on the hood of the cop car begging them not to, and has to be restrained by the cops so they can drive off. Would this ever happen in Korea? No. Why? Because Korea has different policies, and they have to be changed. Pointing this out has nothing to do hating Korea and everything to do with common sense and decency. When living in Canada or America, any time I saw a domestic dispute where it looked like a woman could get hurt I would call the police and they would show up (three times that I remember, two of which the woman was being more violent). Now, I don't speak enough Korean and the address system here is buggered, but I can't think of one first-hand account I've heard from anyone I know of someone calling the K-cops and them ever bothering to do anything. |
And what do the police do in the majority of cases in Canada and America? The guy gets a few days or weeks and then goes back, and the cycle starts all over again, except this time he's a little more careful. Doesn't seem like much of a deterent.
As to that I heard a first account from two friends of mine who one night were awoken by some Korean guy trying to break down the door next to theirs in their apartment building. Apparently his girlfriend had locked him out or something. The cops came and escorted him out the building. The next night he came back...and this time was actually arrested. That said, yes most of the cops here are not yet up to speed on what should be done with domestic violence.
But my point was that it is hypocritical in the extreme to complain about a certain problem in a country, when the complainer's own country has it far worse. And domestic violence in the West leads to a far higher rate of murder than here in Korea. Doesn't seem that OUR system is all that superior. Therefore most of the people wringing their hands and going "oh Korea is so bad" are not motivated by their concern for Korean women (which is never mentioned elsewhere BTW) but purely out of spite as in the Hwang case. |
I don't give a shit about Professor Hwang apart from finding it funny that Korea as a whole would take it so personally. I do give a shit about how women are treated here because violence affects everyone around it. Unlike most western countries, Korea lacks the attitude and policies to deal with it more effectively.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Ok Rapier...I'll play..lets google
America wife beating: 3,840,000 hits in 0.26 seconds
Canada wife beating:1,230,000 hits in 0.28 seconds
Japan wife beating: 1,540,000 hits in 0.21 seconds
oh..and to be correct
Korea wife beating: 893,000 hits in 0.29 seconds |
Monaco wife beating: 68,800 hits in 0.31 seconds
Luxembourg wife beating: 74,800 hits in 0.20 seconds
Albania wife beating: 74,800 hits in 0.28 seconds
Dubai wife beating: 101,000 hits in 0.31 seconds
"United Arab Emirates" wife beating: 150,000 in 0.44 seconds
Iran wife beating: 618,000 hits in 0.31 seconds (still less than Korea!) |
Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Now let's look at Canada
Over 21000 cases. And Canada has a population of 30 million as opposed to Korea's 45 million.
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Thats because incidents are actually reported in Canada and the US. In Korea the stats appear lower because women have learnt not to bother.
The domestic/against women violence rate in korea is likely far higher than North America. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
Thats just silly (sorry if that insults you). Abuse towards women is never excusable, where ever it may happen.
However, when passing judgement on a place it is perhaps better to apply some perspective instead of singling out a place and calling it the worst or even unique as far as abuse to women is concerned. |
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Shooter McGavin
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
Thats just silly (sorry if that insults you). Abuse towards women is never excusable, where ever it may happen.
However, when passing judgement on a place it is perhaps better to apply some perspective instead of singling out a place and calling it the worst or even unique as far as abuse to women is concerned. |
I agree. I think the point here is to recognize that Korea is not the only place in the world where domestic violence happens. Stuff like "Damn wife-beating Koreans" doesn't really help anyone. Making a stand against wife-beating here is an honorable thing to do, IMO. Just make sure you don't incorporate it into a larger crusade against Korea in general. And ask yourself, would I do something back home? |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
Ok Rapier...I'll play..lets google
America wife beating: 3,840,000 hits in 0.26 seconds
Canada wife beating:1,230,000 hits in 0.28 seconds
Japan wife beating: 1,540,000 hits in 0.21 seconds
oh..and to be correct
Korea wife beating: 893,000 hits in 0.29 seconds |
Monaco wife beating: 68,800 hits in 0.31 seconds
Luxembourg wife beating: 74,800 hits in 0.20 seconds
Albania wife beating: 74,800 hits in 0.28 seconds
Dubai wife beating: 101,000 hits in 0.31 seconds
"United Arab Emirates" wife beating: 150,000 in 0.44 seconds
Iran wife beating: 618,000 hits in 0.31 seconds (still less than Korea!) |
Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
I was trying to point out the fallacy of using Google hits as an appropriate form of statistic, at least concerning this subject.
1: One is dealing with countries with wildly differing populations.
2: One is dealing with countries with wildly differing levels of internet connection.
3: One is dealing with some countries whose minor domestic affairs - let's face it - barely register a blip on the global radar.
4: One is entering English search words regarding the news of countries where English is not a first language. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
Thats just silly (sorry if that insults you). Abuse towards women is never excusable, where ever it may happen.
However, when passing judgement on a place it is perhaps better to apply some perspective instead of singling out a place and calling it the worst or even unique as far as abuse to women is concerned. |
I've lived in Canada, the US, spend some time in other countries, and lived in Korea. Of the three countries I've been a permanent resident one truly stands out in this regard, and that would be Korea. One of them needs to change the most in this area, and that's Korea. One of them disturbs me the most in this regard, and that's Korea. I might also add that Korea is on the whole my favourite of the three, and that's why I'm here. I also have a great job and am surrounded by great people and have a lot of independence. Were I a battered ajumma, I'd probably much prefer Canada or America after living there for a year. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
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Now let's look at Canada
Over 21000 cases. And Canada has a population of 30 million as opposed to Korea's 45 million.
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Thats because incidents are actually reported in Canada and the US. In Korea the stats appear lower because women have learnt not to bother.
The domestic/against women violence rate in korea is likely far higher than North America. |
Then (taking Canada's lower population into account) even if only 1 in three Korean women complained, it would still be proportionally equal to Canada's.
Women have learnt not to bother? According to the stats I posted over a thousand cases were prosecuted. And when it comes to rape more than 3 out 5 cases were prosecuted. As for the ones that weren't probably many of them could not be proven or were unfounded.
It is getting better and women are speaking up more and more. And you only have your unfounded opinion (completely unsupported yet again) Or will you be giving us another schoolgirl essay to base your claims on?
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
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| Well then we'd better not express any concern about women in Iran, especially as that would be so hypocritical when some guy in a trailer park in Lethbridge hits his wife. |
Thats just silly (sorry if that insults you). Abuse towards women is never excusable, where ever it may happen.
However, when passing judgement on a place it is perhaps better to apply some perspective instead of singling out a place and calling it the worst or even unique as far as abuse to women is concerned. |
I've lived in Canada, the US, spend some time in other countries, and lived in Korea. Of the three countries I've been a permanent resident one truly stands out in this regard, and that would be Korea. (1) One of them needs to change the most in this area, and that's Korea. One of them disturbs me the most in this regard, and that's Korea. I might also add that Korea is on the whole my favourite of the three, and that's why I'm here. I also have a great job and am surrounded by great people and have a lot of independence. Were I a battered ajumma, I'd probably much prefer Canada or America after living there for a year. |
(number is mine)
1. Seeing as how it is far worse in America I'd say that needs to change the most.
Korea's perspective on wife-beating (that it is a private matter) needs to change the most. |
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Thunndarr
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Compare this:
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| North America. The 1985 National Family Violence Survey in the United States and a 1987 study of Alberta, Canada, residents produced similar rates of wife abuse; 11.3 percent of U.S. women (Straus and Gelles 1986) and 11.2 percent of Canadian women (Kennedy and Dutton 1989) were reported to be the victims of spouse abuse in a twelve-month period. More recent findings, however, from the National Violence Against Women Survey (World Health Organization 2002) show twelve-month rates of 1.3 percent (and an overall prevalence rate of 22.1%), whereas a recent report by Statistics Canada (Trainor and Mihorean 2001) reported that both the 1993 Violence Against Women Survey and the 1999 General Social Survey found twelve-month wife abuse rates of 3 percent. |
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| Asia. The investigations of domestic violence in Asian countries can be compared only indirectly to those of African nations. Both countries have serious problems with spouse abuse that may covertly be maintaining, as well as definitely emphasizing, the lesser status of women in these developing countries. An estimate of the prevalence of domestic violence in Chinese families living in Hong Kong, through the unique data collection technique of children's recall of their parents' behavior, is 14 percent (Tang 1994). This rate is similar to North American estimates of the prevalence of wife abuse; however, a nationwide survey in Japan found that 58.7 percent of the women respondents experienced physical abuse (Yoshihama and Sorenson 1994). In the year preceding a National Study in the Republic of Korea in 1989, 37.5 percent of the respondents had been physically assaulted by their husband or boyfriend (World Health Organization 2002). |
http://encyclopedias.families.com/spouse-abuse-1563-1568-iemf |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Urban myth reckons domestic violence is at a higher rate in North America than Korea.
My hunch is that Korea has a higher rate, simply because it seems so much more apparent, and socially accepted here than in the west.
The former poster has shown the rate in US and Canada at 11%.
One in Six Married People Suffer From Domestic Violence
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200502/kt2005022316043912070.htm
By Chung Ah-young
Staff Reporter
One out of six married people has suffered from domestic violence, a survey said Wednesday.
The Ministry of Gender Equality released the survey conducted by Gallup Korea among 6,156 married people _ 3,071 men and 3,085 women _ during the last four months of 2004.
According to the survey, 15.7 percent said they had been exposed to physical violence by their spouses over the past year.
Also, 42.1 percent of them said they had suffered mental abuse while 7.1 percent had been sexually assaulted.
Among them, 44.6 percent were exposed to at least one form of abuse, including physical, mental and sexual violence.
Husbands in a male-dominant family were more likely to be physically violent.
The poll said 21.7 percent of husbands who held a male-oriented view on marriage had resorted to physical violence, more than double that of husbands who maintain equal relations with their wives, of which 9.9 percent had wielded violence.
Meanwhile, 63.8 percent of female victims of domestic violence suffered from depression. And 60.9 percent showed dissatisfaction with married life and experienced difficulties engaging in social activities.
The results show that even in the present day Korea, domestic violence is endless, and the rate is higher than one expects.
http://www.ssw.umich.edu/newVIsions/HealthySociety-English.html
Studies in South Korea have shown that somewhere between 42% and 61% of
married women in Korea have been physically abused by their spouse. 9%
have been beaten badly enough to need medical assistance. And yet, Korea's
laws on domestic violence are a joke. Domestic violence is not part of the
criminal code. In 1994 a special law was passed on sexual violence but the
part dealing with domestic violence was dropped before it was passed. So,
spouses in an abusive relationship do not have the protection of the
police.
http://www.dpg.devry.edu/~akim/sck/dvk.htm
Some Korean cases.
http://www.hotline.or.kr/english/domestic.asp
Guess that shoots your theory out the window eh Urban?. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
Urban myth reckons domestic violence is at a higher rate in North America than Korea.
My hunch is that Korea has a higher rate, simply because it seems so much more apparent, and socially accepted here than in the west.
The former poster has shown the rate in US and Canada at 11%.
One in Six Married People Suffer From Domestic Violence
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/200502/kt2005022316043912070.htm
By Chung Ah-young
Staff Reporter
One out of six married people has suffered from domestic violence, a survey said Wednesday.
The Ministry of Gender Equality released the survey conducted by Gallup Korea among 6,156 married people _ 3,071 men and 3,085 women _ during the last four months of 2004.
According to the survey, 15.7 percent said they had been exposed to physical violence by their spouses over the past year.
Also, 42.1 percent of them said they had suffered mental abuse while 7.1 percent had been sexually assaulted.
Among them, 44.6 percent were exposed to at least one form of abuse, including physical, mental and sexual violence.
Husbands in a male-dominant family were more likely to be physically violent.
The poll said 21.7 percent of husbands who held a male-oriented view on marriage had resorted to physical violence, more than double that of husbands who maintain equal relations with their wives, of which 9.9 percent had wielded violence.
Meanwhile, 63.8 percent of female victims of domestic violence suffered from depression. And 60.9 percent showed dissatisfaction with married life and experienced difficulties engaging in social activities.
The results show that even in the present day Korea, domestic violence is endless, and the rate is higher than one expects.
http://www.ssw.umich.edu/newVIsions/HealthySociety-English.html
Studies in South Korea have shown that somewhere between 42% and 61% of
married women in Korea have been physically abused by their spouse. 9%
have been beaten badly enough to need medical assistance. And yet, Korea's
laws on domestic violence are a joke. Domestic violence is not part of the
criminal code. In 1994 a special law was passed on sexual violence but the
part dealing with domestic violence was dropped before it was passed. So,
spouses in an abusive relationship do not have the protection of the
police.
http://www.dpg.devry.edu/~akim/sck/dvk.htm
Some Korean cases.
http://www.hotline.or.kr/english/domestic.asp
Guess that shoots your theory out the window eh Urban?. |
It doesn't do a thing to my theory. Your links do not show where the people claiming this got their information from. Except for one link (which is irrelevant see below post) there is not a single link that you posted that references any studies. These links make claims but do not reveal how the statistics they quote were obtained.
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: |
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And the one post where you posted that survey was talking about violence between spouses, not men beating women. Those figures include women beating men as well.
We were talking about WIFE beating. Focus Mr. Rapier focus. |
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ChimpumCallao
Joined: 17 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
And the one post where you posted that survey was talking about violence between spouses, not men beating women. Those figures include women beating men as well.
We were talking about WIFE beating. Focus Mr. Rapier focus. |
are you then actually suggesting that canadian and south korean's wife beating is on par??
have you never been outside in south korea past 6pm?
sure domestic abuse exists everywhere, but in korea, like other backwards societies, it exists at a much grander level...and worse off, it is dealt with in standard moronic fashion that highlight this country's lack of altruism, sense of real community (not this b.s. collectivist label) and police accountability. |
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