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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:44 pm    Post subject: Hakwon system Reply with quote

I think private institutions are fine if you are learning something that is not taught in school. I took viola lessons when I was in high school because strings were not a part of the music program at my school. Other than that, I just did YMCA summer programs (swimming and tennis lessons, etc.). Aside from the viola lessons, they were really cheap.

IMO, I would rather tutor my kid than send him/her to a hakwon. My dad, even though he was really busy, always found time to help me with my math. He and my neighbor helped me with an engineering project, as well.

BTW- anyone see a gymnastics hakwon here? When I taught in a kiddie hakwon, I taught my kindy class some basic stuff like sommersaults, cartwheels, and standing on your head (make sure you spot them if you teach them this stuff!). I was surprised that some of the older kids didn't know some basic gymnastics. Then again, we aren't taught martial arts~

Also, I know public speaking isn't part of the curriculum for h.s. students here. I thought that was surprising...
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's this rambling OP of yours all about? Oh wait, I get it. Of course. It's the nesting instinct, and little Periwinkle's got little kiddiewinkles on her mind, am I right? Itching to join the "Baby Avatar Brigade", aren't we?

Oh don't worry, I won't tell anybody. Wink

~~ Happy New Year! ~~
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xtchr



Joined: 23 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nooooo, don't do it, please, no more baby avatars. Wink
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Har, har. =) No, I've been racking my brain to think of new topics. I have nothing to do at work these days, and the board seems pretty dead (I think everyone is on vacation...). Ok, I'll think of something better Wink

Mmm- how about celebrity gossip? I heard Angelina Jolie is preggers!!!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By sending your kid to hogwan you get to berate wongjongnim-babo and all his underlings about any trivial item that's on your mind, and make a lot of people scrape and bow and polish and shine and stand up and sit down, and what more could a bored housewife who would otherwise have a powerless, routine, and pretty meaningless existance want? A lot of women only have kids in the first place to feel important and have someone to direct and live vicariously through, and choosing and b*tching to and pulling from hogwans multiplies this.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one think I dont understand is it..
We never went to hakwons! western kids still dont go to hakwon but we run our countries and businesses better than korea!

sure if you were flanking math, you would get a tutor to boost your grade up..

also I find funny this..
all the korean businessmen of today! didnt go to hakwons either!
their were NO HAKWONS!!
but now its seems in the 90's and 2000 korean kids need hakwons!
ummm well korea became the 10th richest nation without hakwons
they have been running this nation without hakwons! but it seems now the kids need hakwons!
the same people who didnt attend hakwons but now have great jobs still feel they need to deprive their children of their once and a life time life of being a child and make him study study study.. meanwhile that same ajuma or father didnt go to hakwons and played all the time!!!
but still managed to run samsung electronics! or some top business etc.

If the school education was better their would be no need for hakwons!
in the 70's and 80's students studied hard in school ask anyone who attended school in those days.. now its all about hakwons! because the schools dont teach squat..

why does a 12 year old kid need to be studying university math?
why does he need to study 10 hours on a sunday and 10 during the week? so he can go to a good university his mum told him!
not to mention other kids have 6 hakwons etc..
which I THINK IS OK!!
if they actually learn something!!!!
but I know most hakwons dont teach squat! they just give you work to do!
hakwons are a business MONEY first!! then maybe education somewhere down the line! problem is.. most wonjungnims dont even have a clue how to educate either do the francises who created the schools!
well their is one good thing with hakwons! it creates jobs for all the people who went to university and failed and now they can work in a hakwon
how many hakwons are their in your neighbourhood? yep alot of koreans working in hakwons!!!
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Hakwon system Reply with quote

I tell my friend with a child that she should just use her excellent english skills and home school her boy in English. That hagwon system is a joke. Or at the very least, send him two nights a week max. I think as they get older there is a need to prepare for entrance exams, but if you're fluent in English, teach him at home.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
one think I dont understand is it..
We never went to hakwons! western kids still dont go to hakwon but we run our countries and businesses better than korea!

sure if you were flanking math, you would get a tutor to boost your grade up..

also I find funny this..
all the korean businessmen of today! didnt go to hakwons either!
their were NO HAKWONS!!
but now its seems in the 90's and 2000 korean kids need hakwons!
ummm well korea became the 10th richest nation without hakwons
they have been running this nation without hakwons! but it seems now the kids need hakwons!
the same people who didnt attend hakwons but now have great jobs still feel they need to deprive their children of their once and a life time life of being a child and make him study study study.. meanwhile that same ajuma or father didnt go to hakwons and played all the time!!!
but still managed to run samsung electronics! or some top business etc.

If the school education was better their would be no need for hakwons!
in the 70's and 80's students studied hard in school ask anyone who attended school in those days.. now its all about hakwons! because the schools dont teach squat..

why does a 12 year old kid need to be studying university math?
why does he need to study 10 hours on a sunday and 10 during the week? so he can go to a good university his mum told him!
not to mention other kids have 6 hakwons etc..
which I THINK IS OK!!
if they actually learn something!!!!
but I know most hakwons dont teach squat! they just give you work to do!
hakwons are a business MONEY first!! then maybe education somewhere down the line! problem is.. most wonjungnims dont even have a clue how to educate either do the francises who created the schools!
well their is one good thing with hakwons! it creates jobs for all the people who went to university and failed and now they can work in a hakwon
how many hakwons are their in your neighbourhood? yep alot of koreans working in hakwons!!!


No offence - you're perfectly intelligent and this isn't a literary club - but I think you could have used a grammar hogwan.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Hakwon system Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I tell my friend with a child that she should just use her excellent english skills and home school her boy in English. That hagwon system is a joke. Or at the very least, send him two nights a week max. I think as they get older there is a need to prepare for entrance exams, but if you're fluent in English, teach him at home.


What was her response? One of my former privates used to listen to his listening tapes with his mom. Once a parent gets involved, it seems to really engage the child a lot more actively. I certainly was that way with math- couldn't wrap my arithmetically-challenged brain around the problems until my dad explained it for me. Too bad he couldn't take the GMAT for me... Crying or Very sad

As for Itaewonguy- that's just his writing style. Our board's e.e. cummings meets Faulkner. Wink
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Hakwon system Reply with quote

periwinkle wrote:
As for Itaewonguy- that's just his writing style. Our board's e.e. cummings meets Faulkner. Wink

There are a few posters who's style, shtick, persona -- call it what you will -- can take some time to warm to. I'm not talking about the insult-mongers and trolls, but the decent posters who just happen to have their own unique, quirky voice. For the life of me, I cannot read Homer's posts anymore without hearing Homer Simpson delivering them. With Itaewonguy, perhaps it's the mid-sentence exclamation marks, but I'm hearing Capt. James T. Kirk or Christopher Walken reciting his words with their inimitable halting, emphatic delivery. And unlike other posters, I feel compelled to read IG's posts in my head as though I were speaking them, which sometimes makes them easier to comprehend. Anyway, always fun.
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ChimpumCallao



Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Hakwon system Reply with quote

JongnoGuru wrote:
periwinkle wrote:
As for Itaewonguy- that's just his writing style. Our board's e.e. cummings meets Faulkner. :wink:

There are a few posters who's style, shtick, persona -- call it what you will -- can take some time to warm to. I'm not talking about the insult-mongers and trolls, but the decent posters who just happen to have their own unique, quirky voice. For the life of me, I cannot read Homer's posts anymore without hearing Homer Simpson delivering them. With Itaewonguy, perhaps it's the mid-sentence exclamation marks, but I'm hearing Capt. James T. Kirk or Christopher Walken reciting his words with their inimitable halting, emphatic delivery. And unlike other posters, I feel compelled to read IG's posts in my head as though I were speaking them, which sometimes makes them easier to comprehend. Anyway, always fun.


i LOVE IG's posts. I always imagine some army sargeant yelling at me.

AND DO YOU KNOW WHY!!!???

BECAUSE THEY ARE A DUMB CULTURE!!!

Itaewon guy drinks 300 cans of Surge a day, and I find him TOTALLY EXTREME.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The hagwons are here not because the education system is good or bad. Its because there aren't enough Universities. Also there is too large of discreprency between the Universities. YOu have a few premuim Unis and a lot of crap ones. The competition to get into the university is what drives the hagwon craze. If Korea could offer enough spots at quality Universities then the competition would be less fierce and less need for hagwons.
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Paji eh Wong



Joined: 03 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ulsanchris wrote:
The hagwons are here not because the education system is good or bad. Its because there aren't enough Universities. Also there is too large of discreprency between the Universities. YOu have a few premuim Unis and a lot of crap ones. The competition to get into the university is what drives the hagwon craze. If Korea could offer enough spots at quality Universities then the competition would be less fierce and less need for hagwons.


I don't think it would matter if there were more quality Universities. Koreans are so competitive they would still scrap, fight, and sell their moms to get in to a top 5 school.

Is education actually that much better at a SKY school? Or is it just the people you can meet?

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Hakwon system


The word "system" implies other words like "organization" and "plan". You need a new word, like J!zz storm or something.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
Is education actually that much better at a SKY school? Or is it just the people you can meet?

I'd say neither. It's the doors it opens (career, marriage, women). Someone correct me with the hard statistics that say otherwise, but nearly all the Korean professors I know teaching at OTHER Korean universities graduated from SKY. And of that group, nearly all from S.
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cypher



Joined: 08 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
itaewonguy wrote:
one think I dont understand is it..
We never went to hakwons! western kids still dont go to hakwon but we run our countries and businesses better than korea!

sure if you were flanking math, you would get a tutor to boost your grade up..

also I find funny this..
all the korean businessmen of today! didnt go to hakwons either!
their were NO HAKWONS!!
but now its seems in the 90's and 2000 korean kids need hakwons!
ummm well korea became the 10th richest nation without hakwons
they have been running this nation without hakwons! but it seems now the kids need hakwons!
the same people who didnt attend hakwons but now have great jobs still feel they need to deprive their children of their once and a life time life of being a child and make him study study study.. meanwhile that same ajuma or father didnt go to hakwons and played all the time!!!
but still managed to run samsung electronics! or some top business etc.

If the school education was better their would be no need for hakwons!
in the 70's and 80's students studied hard in school ask anyone who attended school in those days.. now its all about hakwons! because the schools dont teach squat..

why does a 12 year old kid need to be studying university math?
why does he need to study 10 hours on a sunday and 10 during the week? so he can go to a good university his mum told him!
not to mention other kids have 6 hakwons etc..
which I THINK IS OK!!
if they actually learn something!!!!
but I know most hakwons dont teach squat! they just give you work to do!
hakwons are a business MONEY first!! then maybe education somewhere down the line! problem is.. most wonjungnims dont even have a clue how to educate either do the francises who created the schools!
well their is one good thing with hakwons! it creates jobs for all the people who went to university and failed and now they can work in a hakwon
how many hakwons are their in your neighbourhood? yep alot of koreans working in hakwons!!!


No offence - you're perfectly intelligent and this isn't a literary club - but I think you could have used a grammar hogwan.


I was thinking the same thing-no offence. It's not the content, it's not even forum/email/messaging english-all of which I have no problem with (obviously).

However, you really should get their/there right if you're teaching english, especially in a post commenting on the poor quality of Korean education. Typos are one thing but if you do it repeatedly in the same post it is no longer a typo.

Sort of back on topic. I can tell the students who either have an affinity for languages or whose parents study with them. It makes a huge difference, more than I do. Unless, of course, the parent is mistaken...who hasn't heard "but my mom says...."
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