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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Satori wrote: |
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Only God can produce love. Love is the trademark of all of his disciples.
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That`s completely and utterly incorrect. Billions of people all over the globe give and recieve tons of yummy huggy deep affectionate love every day, and they are not christian. The sheer bigotry, the arrogance, the pride, and the ignorance of your post is quite beathtaking. Unless you`re playing dumb on purpose for some kind of special effect, Im truly worried for you. You have the mental and emotional age of a 9 year old.
Actually, Im beginning to think that maybe I DO believe in Satan, and his current incarnation is Five Eagles... |
fiveeagles, you just produced heresy in light of the bible-stop now |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: Do you believe in Satan? |
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Did anyone notice this line from the video?
Rebecca: "When I drove onto the property, there was angels everywhere, and I was freaking out.
I thought I had overdosed on my heroin. Really. And it was horrible."
(It's a little after the first half of the video, after a commercial break and after Angela speaks.)
This young woman is an admitted drug addict. She may also be mentally ill. She needs professional help.
Unfortunately, she's not getting it because she's being used to promote a religious agenda.
It's sad.
This exploitation is almost criminal. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
Only God can produce love. Love is the trademark of all of his disciples.
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That`s completely and utterly incorrect. Billions of people all over the globe give and recieve tons of yummy huggy deep affectionate love every day, and they are not christian. The sheer bigotry, the arrogance, the pride, and the ignorance of your post is quite beathtaking. Unless you`re playing dumb on purpose for some kind of special effect, Im truly worried for you. You have the mental and emotional age of a 9 year old.
Actually, Im beginning to think that maybe I DO believe in Satan, and his current incarnation is Five Eagles... |
fiveeagles, you just produced heresy in light of the bible-stop now |
How so? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| Bee Positive wrote: |
| Satori wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
Only God can produce love. Love is the trademark of all of his disciples.
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That`s completely and utterly incorrect. Billions of people all over the globe give and recieve tons of yummy huggy deep affectionate love every day, and they are not christian. The sheer bigotry, the arrogance, the pride, and the ignorance of your post is quite beathtaking. Unless you`re playing dumb on purpose for some kind of special effect, Im truly worried for you. You have the mental and emotional age of a 9 year old.
Actually, Im beginning to think that maybe I DO believe in Satan, and his current incarnation is Five Eagles... |
Oh boy, I'm getting to disagree with Satori on absolutely everything. Call me the anti-Satori and you will have just about summed up my views on everything.
Love requires that there be first one and then two. A lover and a beloved. A beloved loving the lover in return. A circularity.
Outside of nature, moving from physicality into the realm of the ideal, we can easily find, in agreement with Plotinus, that there is a ONE which is perpetually and indeed extra-temporally spinning itself outward and in so doing self-effusively generating a second One, the God who is generated by God, the Second Person of the Trinity in Christian thought, the Intelligence in Plotinian thought. God propagates himself firstly as God: perfection generates perfection above and before and beyond all else.
And between God and God there can only be perfect love. God in love with God. Pefect love.
Out of which flows a third something, Plotinus's Spirit of the World, Christianity's Holy Spirit, the third person of the Hindu trinity, what have you. It cannot, would not, should not, will not, and wasn't ever otherwise. God in love with perfect and potentially autonomous, self-sufficient God overflows the very bounds of God in the very act of creating those bounds. Oneness contracts, expands, and explodes into something entirely but not essentially new. The One, becoming Two, generates Three. (Veni Sancte Spiritus!)
One plus one yields two, and when combined with the original one yields three. God is mathematical in nature. Just think one and two and then three and you're much closer to understanding what God is all about, I propose, than you ever were in Sunday school.
Love is God. God is love. Down here on earth, we imitate the divine love in various degrees of perfection and imperfection.
Three plus two yields five, meanwhile, and five plus three yields eight. See where this is going? That's right: THE FIBONACCI SERIES. It describes a great deal of terrestrial biology. It's one of the great mathematical keys to understanding physical reality, and it has its origins logically in the One and its effusions into numerality. The one becomes many. Two interact to generate a third, beyond which the numers propagate. This is mathematics, and this is also love.
God is glorious and great and Good and One. He becomes one and two, and then three. He embraces all of us on the Cross, hooked to the divine oneness at one end, and no less to the infinite numberlessness of all the rest of it, and us, at the other.
God bleeds and dies, and like a ham actor exceeds the bounds of propriety in an outsized attempt to prove his greatness. We should respond appropriately, by acknowledging his goodness to us, and attempting, in however small a way, to return his love. We can do this, within the bounds of logic, by loving each other, since in loving who and what God loves, we achieve, or at least attempt to achieve, what he himself does.
Love is thus the essential relationship. Prior to love, to be sure, there is simply THE ONE, but this is a singularity too radical and severe for us to face. Its unmediated presence would destroy. We approach God by degrees, through the appropriate channels. We approach God through love. Thus God, for us, is love. And love, in a very real sense, is God.
In his unitary sovereignty, God, had he chosen to do so, could have stood alone in utter self-perfection. Instead, for reasons which will perhaps ever remain obscure to us, he contracts and expands himself endlessly so as to generate a world which is by his will self-willing. Willing our way back to God means returning to a primal happiness.
It's so very simple. In whatever way that you can, get back to oneness. But don't neglect the possibility--indeed, the PROBABILITY--of finding oneness in plurality. The kingdom of God, as Jesus says, is within you. By deduction, it is also within your fellow human being.
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Despite lines and lines of the most flowery irrelevant twaddle I've ever read in my life, you failed completely to address my post at all. Why did you even bother quoting me, as if your post was somehow in response to mine?
FiveEagles wrote that "Only God can produce love". I responded that this is rediculous. It doesn't take much of a thought experiment to work that out. Millions of people around the world give and recieve love, and many of them are not christian. End of story. God is not the only one who produces love. People produce love.
By the way, people produce god too. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I bought a radar that beeps when I am over the speed limit in radar controlled zones. It's works like a charm. |
So, my born-again, fundamentalist friend, please tell me, for how long have you been breaking the law?
P.S. I think that your new avatar is much better. However, since I considered your old one one of the worst on the board, there was plenty of room for improvement. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| I bought a radar that beeps when I am over the speed limit in radar controlled zones. It's works like a charm. |
So, my born-again, fundamentalist friend, please tell me, for how long have you been breaking the law?
P.S. I think that your new avatar is much better. However, since I considered your old one one of the worst on the board, there was plenty of room for improvement. |
Man, you are just reaching here. One often gets caught unaware of the speed limit...this has been done to death...the limits change frequently and quickly in Korea. I'm more than certain he bought it to stay on the right side of things in these times.
Speaking of avatars, yours is just too high school. Just like dudes who have girls for desktops or nudie pics on the wall.... |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Speaking of avatars, yours is just too high school. Just like dudes who have girls for desktops or nudie pics on the wall.... |
Touche! You're good, my friend -sharper than a rapier.
I like my avatar. Call me "high school" if you will, but, like, a smoking clown is, like, so much better. Yeah, like, totally ...
Also, in this sentence ...
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| Just like dudes who have girls for desktops or nudie pics on the wall.... |
... you could also have mentioned having a weekly rotation all of your ex-girlfriends' pictures as avatars.
By the way, have you participated in my poll, "What Does 'God' Mean To You?"
You seem quite clever and I'd love to have your imput. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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No, I didn't participate in your poll, and I try to refrain from these debates in general. I am a Christian and don't need to debate/argue/explain/justify that in any way to any person. I commend fiveeagles for publicizing his views here, but the internet only inspires people's dark sides, and this board is rife with shady characters, and that just makes me sad.
I am not judging anyone, as I believe that our online pseudonyms really aren't a fair representation of who/what we are, but I do have to say that many of the "people" here enjoy living in darkness too much. I don't believe that this is the place to try to spread the Word, for the same aforementioned reasons; people simply cannot communicate effectively on such issues on an internet message board.
I know the joy of Christ. Once one has felt it, there is no turning away. This is where I am, and that's it for me.
I did respond to you because I thought your accusation was just silly....a playground taunt. My avatar is a painting by Ron English (popaganda), someone who's work I believe has some significant meaning. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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No, I didn't participate in your poll, and I try to refrain from these debates in general. I am a Christian and don't need to debate/argue/explain/justify that in any way to any person. I commend fiveeagles for publicizing his views here, but the internet only inspires people's dark sides, and this board is rife with shady characters, and that just makes me sad.
I am not judging anyone, as I believe that our online pseudonyms really aren't a fair representation of who/what we are, but I do have to say that many of the "people" here enjoy living in darkness too much. I don't believe that this is the place to try to spread the Word, for the same aforementioned reasons; people simply cannot communicate effectively on such issues on an internet message board.
I know the joy of Christ. Once one has felt it, there is no turning away. This is where I am, and that's it for me.
I did respond to you because I thought your accusation was just silly....a playground taunt. My avatar is a painting by Ron English (popaganda), someone who's work I believe has some significant meaning. |
Fair enough.
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| I like my avatar. Call me "high school" if you will, but, like, a smoking clown is, like, so much better. Yeah, like, totally ... |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| My avatar is a painting by Ron English (popaganda), someone who's work I believe has some significant meaning. |
I was only joking. I was responding to your comment ("Speaking of avatars, yours is just too high school.") by trying to sound like a high-school Valley Girl ("Yeah, like, totally.")
I'm sorry that you misconstrued my comment as an attack against you.
I know that my attempts at jokes sometimes (often? usually?) fall flat, but it seems to me that the darkness that you alluded to has thrown a cold, wet blanket over all attempts at humor here.
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| I did respond to you because I thought your accusation was just silly....a playground taunt. |
Upon reflection, yes, I think you have a point.
My statement may not have been the most mature thing to say.
I guess I was annoyed by what I perceived to be hypocrisy.
By the way, if you read my poll ("What Does 'God' Mean To You?"), you'll see that I'm not attacking Christianity or religion.
Go in peace, my friend. Really. No joke this time. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I didn't participate in your poll, and I try to refrain from these debates in general. I am a Christian and don't need to debate/argue/explain/justify that in any way to any person. I commend fiveeagles for publicizing his views here, but the internet only inspires people's dark sides, and this board is rife with shady characters, and that just makes me sad. |
I totally see where you are coming from and I have seriously thought of stepping away from this.
However, the way I see it, is that many of these people need love. They might not think I am showing them love right now, but in a few years, so of them will remember what I have wrote and find Christ.
However, I totally respect your attitude. I can really feel the Love of God in you. 
Ummm, Troll Bait, i have never said I was perfect. I only like talking about the one who was, is and will always be.... perfect. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Ummm, Troll Bait, i have never said I was perfect. |
I am also far from perfect.
How about this?
If you respect my imperfections, including choosing the "wrong" faith, then I'll respect yours.
Deal? |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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You know something Troll Bait...
I don't think I have attacked you yet have I? You only started a month ago?
As for respect...we will see. There are some faiths, i find intolerable.
Peace
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: |
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You know something Troll Bait...
I don't think I have attacked you yet have I? You only started a month ago?
As for respect...we will see. There are some faiths, i find intolerable.
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Perhaps some faiths, but certainly no person.
I have already said too much. Play nice, netizens. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
You know something Troll Bait...
I don't think I have attacked you yet have I? |
No, you haven't.
Why did you say "yet"?
Are you going to?
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| As for respect...we will see. |
My faith considers other religions to also be valid paths to the goal of salvation.
(There's a Japanese saying that all paths up the mountain lead to the top.)
I hope that's enough to earn reciprocal respect.
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Peace
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Peace. |
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peemil
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| and this board is rife with shady characters |
He he.
P.S. What is with that blonde headed wind bag in the video? |
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