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ARE CANADIANS BEING SCREWED AROUND WITH?
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
BigBlackEquus wrote:
They don't have to remove the 6 month tourist visa for Canadians, but they can be very creative with what happens in between.



As can the Canadians when it comes to Koreans visiting. Basically neither country is going to mess with the visa for fear of retaliation. A LOT more Koreans want to visit Canada than Canadians want to visit Korea.


Granted, but do you really see the Canadian government wanting to spend a lot of money chasing Koreans around because the Koreans back home decided to enforce their laws already on the books and go after people working illegally?

I just don't see Canada wanting to put for the effort (and extra budget) to chase Koreans around simply because some Canadian citizens aren't being allowed to break the law in Korea.

Not all Canadians are sympathetic with Canadians who knowingly break laws overseas (and get caught), simply because they are Canadians.

As I mentioned, I could see Korea allowing the 6 month visa, but asking Canadians to report in to immigration every few months for a short chat.

Again, I don't see Canada reciprocating with asking Koreans to "report" to immigration in Canada, because Canada simply wouldn't be so hot and horny for "revenge" against Korea for doing this to a bunch of illegal English teachers. Don't assume all of Canada would side with you on this.

As it has been said before, just how much time does one need to see Korea?
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBlackEquus wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
BigBlackEquus wrote:
They don't have to remove the 6 month tourist visa for Canadians, but they can be very creative with what happens in between.



As can the Canadians when it comes to Koreans visiting. Basically neither country is going to mess with the visa for fear of retaliation. A LOT more Koreans want to visit Canada than Canadians want to visit Korea.


Granted, but do you really see the Canadian government wanting to spend a lot of money chasing Koreans around because the Koreans back home decided to enforce their laws already on the books and go after people working illegally?

I just don't see Canada wanting to put for the effort (and extra budget) to chase Koreans around simply because some Canadian citizens aren't being allowed to break the law in Korea.

Not all Canadians are sympathetic with Canadians who knowingly break laws overseas (and get caught), simply because they are Canadians.

As I mentioned, I could see Korea allowing the 6 month visa, but asking Canadians to report in to immigration every few months for a short chat.

Again, I don't see Canada reciprocating with asking Koreans to "report" to immigration in Canada, because Canada simply wouldn't be so hot and horny for "revenge" against Korea for doing this to a bunch of illegal English teachers. Don't assume all of Canada would side with you on this.

As it has been said before, just how much time does one need to see Korea?



You simply can not change an international treaty unilaterally. The visa agreement was made between two countries. If one country(let's call it country A) started suddenly making changes to how people from the other country (county B), do you think country B would just shrug its shoulders and tamely submit to it? Look at Canada and what has happened between its relationship with the U.S over trade treaty disputes.
I just can't see Canadian politicians letting Korea get away with making one sided changes to the treaty. It's not illegal teachers they are concerned about. It's Canadian reputation and what kind of precedent that would set if they allowed Korea to get away with that scot-free.

If Korea were not honoring the treaty they'd probably retaliate. They are already screaming because the U.S. now is talking about Canadians who visit the U.S to have biometric (sp?) passports (maybe it's changed now?)
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noraleen



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Yeah Right... Reply with quote



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chronicpride



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that I still don't get is how some people on a discussion board can seriously contemplate hypothetical situations about a massive change to visa reciprocity agreements which would affect hundreds of thousands of Koreans who travel to Canada every year, and thus have some direct and indirect effect on tourism and trade, all because you don't think its right that the couple of thousand (if that) Canadian english teachers in Korea on tourist visas don't have to do visa runs every 3 months, like the rest of their law-breaking peers from other nations.

Jesus, just because one thinks about themselves and matters pertaining to them all day, does not mean that the rest of the world must be thinking about them with the same interest and focus. Reading such thought-bankruptcy on here gives me genuine concern for the education of the Korean students that we are tasked to educate, regardless if the instructor is carrying a David Kang degree or not.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Yeah Right... Reply with quote

noraleen wrote:
lastat06513 wrote:
I might turn this thread into a controversy by saying this:


I highly doubt Canadians can get screwed around with in this country. To me, they seem to have more of a free ride than any other nationality, with them being able to get a 6-month tourist visa while Americans and such can only get up to 90 days stay.


(1) You think Canadians have more freedom? That they make more money? Once they sign on with a school, they have to pay taxes on all money earned. Not just here in Korea, but back in Canada too.

(2)I didn't see you mention the fact that American's don't pay taxes when you were trying to say Canadians make more money. Get your facts straight.



1. No. I have not paid taxes in Canada for five years (legally).

2. As far as I am aware Americans are only exempt from tax for two years.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chronicpride wrote:
One thing that I still don't get is how some people on a discussion board can seriously contemplate hypothetical situations about a massive change to visa reciprocity agreements which would affect hundreds of thousands of Koreans who travel to Canada every year, and thus have some direct and indirect effect on tourism and trade, all because you don't think its right that the couple of thousand (if that) Canadian english teachers in Korea on tourist visas don't have to do visa runs every 3 months, like the rest of their law-breaking peers from other nations.

Jesus, just because one thinks about themselves and matters pertaining to them all day, does not mean that the rest of the world must be thinking about them with the same interest and focus. Reading such thought-bankruptcy on here gives me genuine concern for the education of the Korean students that we are tasked to educate, regardless if the instructor is carrying a David Kang degree or not.



This is sig-worthy..but just too long. Well said sir.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
chronicpride wrote:
One thing that I still don't get is how some people on a discussion board can seriously contemplate hypothetical situations about a massive change to visa reciprocity agreements which would affect hundreds of thousands of Koreans who travel to Canada every year, and thus have some direct and indirect effect on tourism and trade, all because you don't think its right that the couple of thousand (if that) Canadian english teachers in Korea on tourist visas don't have to do visa runs every 3 months, like the rest of their law-breaking peers from other nations.

Jesus, just because one thinks about themselves and matters pertaining to them all day, does not mean that the rest of the world must be thinking about them with the same interest and focus. Reading such thought-bankruptcy on here gives me genuine concern for the education of the Korean students that we are tasked to educate, regardless if the instructor is carrying a David Kang degree or not.



This is sig-worthy..but just too long. Well said sir.


I agree, well said. It took me awhile to realise you were using logic. It's been awhile since some on here have Smile
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lastat06513



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You think Canadians have more freedom? That they make more money? Once they sign on with a school, they have to pay taxes on all money earned. Not just here in Korea, but back in Canada too.
I didn't see you mention the fact that American's don't pay taxes when you were trying to say Canadians make more money. Get your facts straight.




Ummm.....If you look at my post(s) more carefully, you will see that I'm not talking about a person signing a contract, I am actually talking about a person choosing to come and teach on a tourist visa.
Every person getting an E2 is in the same boat in regards that they pay taxes and possibly get screwed around (I have seen as many Americans, including myself, getting screwed around as much as Canadians)

What is different is that a Canadian can choose to come and stay for up to 6 months, visa-free while people from other countries have to get a C3 visa and can stay for up to 3 months ( as with American nationals) and that is the difference I am talking about.


I am reframed from being blunt on this board- but before you tell someone to get their facts straight, make sure your own ducks are in order to avoid looking like a dunce in the meantime.


Thank you and have a wonderful day Very Happy
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Americans don't pay any taxes as long as they are making under $80,000 per year, last I heard. No year limit.

http://www.campuscareercenter.com/students/article.asp?news_id=443

The dollar amount was upped from $70,000 per year, recently:

"Not only are salaries up to 50% higher abroad—depending on location—but all Americans who work abroad , except those with the federal government, and who are out of the United States for 330 days out of any 12 consecutive months, receive a tax exemption of $70,000. To encourage American know-how in the world��s developing nations Congress passed the Economic Recovery Act of 1981. Any money earned above the $70,000 exemption is taxed at the current tax rate, for example, a worker earning $85,000 abroad is taxed only on $15,000—a very low tax bracket. In addition to higher base salaries and significant tax breaks, many Americans working abroad also receive paid living expenses (food, housing, and transportation), free travel, free medical benefits and a 5 to 30% bonus upon completing their contracted assignment. U.S. Government employees who live abroad are not able to take advantage of these tax advantages as their income is not treated as ��foreign earned��.

However, there is on big exception to this tax-free situation. Although Americans are exempt from U.S. taxes on a large portion of money earned abroad, they are not always tax exempt in the country in which they may be employed. Thus it is important to evaluate the entire tax picture. For example, and American earning $30,000 working at home my pay 25% to the Government. Earn the same salary in Australia and the U.S. Government takes nothing—but the Australian government takes a third. Work in Saudi Arabia and all your income is yours. Saudi Arabia has no local taxes. "
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Owen Yu



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: ARE CANADIANS BEING SCREWED AROUND WITH? Reply with quote

I'm a Canadian from Toronto. Here's what I had to do.

1. get photocopy of degree notarized by Canadian lawyer

2. bring sealed transcript#1 and notarized photocopy of degree to Korean consulate in Toronto to be certified

3. ship sealed transcript#2 and certified & notarized photocopy of degree to employer in Korea

4. employer did her thing, then e-mailed me a visa confirmation number

5. bring sealed transcript#3 and visa confirmation number to Korean consulate

So, yes, I had 3 sealed transcripts go to the paper shredder 5 seconds after they opened the envelopes, and glanced at the contents.

I had no dealings with the CANADIAN EMBASSY like the OP mentioned.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBlackEquus wrote:
Americans don't pay any taxes as long as they are making under $80,000 per year, last I heard. No year limit.

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I wasn't talking about America taxing the teacher, I was talking about Korea taxing the teacher. After two years Americans must pay Korean taxes.
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. They pay 3.3% tax, just like everyone else. On a 2 million won salary, that comes out to something like 70,000 won for the year, I think? It's a pittance.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On a 2 million won salary, that comes out to something like 70,000 won for the year, I think? It's a pittance.


Yet...some will rant and rave they are being stolen from with high taxes here... Laughing
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plato's republic



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the OP Australian or Canadian??? Confused I thought only Aussies said G'day.
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BigBlackEquus



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
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On a 2 million won salary, that comes out to something like 70,000 won for the year, I think? It's a pittance.


Yet...some will rant and rave they are being stolen from with high taxes here... Laughing


The reason they rant and rave is because many a Korean hagwon boss make up some different amount higher than that, pocket all of the cash, and never pay a lick of tax.

Be careful what you apologize for, Homer.
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