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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Watch out for housing allowances too. They seem to be more common. It's hard to find a liveable place for 300 a month. |
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idealjetsam
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Starting up and stopping.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
from a university job announcement (Date: January 3, 2006)
The salary is around 1.7 million Korean won with 12 hours teaching and additional 6 hours will be paid overtime (26,000 won).
from the Korean Job Board http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea
1,700,000 + 156,000 = 1,856,000 won per month
1,856,000 x 12 = 22,272,000 won per year (in what year 2006?)
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Uh, pretty sure they meant an additional 6 a week.
Also, don't you think the Korean with the Ph.D and research and publication requirements should make more than the waygook monkey with blonde hair and a smile? |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Only if the Korean with the PhD comes from a good university and has a better knowledge and pronunciation of English than the blonde haired whitey |
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idealjetsam
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Starting up and stopping.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: more... |
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| Only if the Korean with the PhD comes from a good university and has a better knowledge and pronunciation of English than the blonde haired whitey |
Hmmm...
I doubt the average wages for professors were representative of Koreans teaching conversation in ESL classrooms...
Sorry guys, but doesn't seem like you all have much of an inclination to handle this topic with common sense. |
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BadEgg
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:12 am Post subject: |
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Whether or not the Korean with the Phd has perfect pronunciation or not is irrelevant. The fact is he has worked his ass off for years to become highly qualified in his field.
Your pronunciation may be perfect (although if you're American - probably not, haha), but do you have any qualifications to teach whatsoever?
Why anyone thinks a waygook with no teaching qualifications should earn the same as a professor with a Phd is completely beyond me.
As for jobs in general, yes, I do think they are becoming worse on average. Salaries are not keeping pace with inflation and in many cases the offers are simply getting worse as hagwon owners push the limits of what people will accept.
For example, YBM's adult school in Jongno pays 1.8 and NO housing.
I wouldn't even consider an offer like that for a second. It's simply not worth it. But plenty people do. I know people who work there and they don't seem to be having too much trouble getting enough teachers. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| BadEgg wrote: |
Why anyone thinks a waygook with no teaching qualifications should earn the same as a professor with a Phd is completely beyond me.
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Because wages are not set by qualifications, education, or intellect.
They are set by demand and supply. If those who are paying for the service - the students - are willing to pay a blond haired blue eyed waygookin with a B.A. the same as a PHD..well, in the system we live under, that is fair because that is how salaries and prices are determined.
In some abstract, better, theoretical, and maybe less superficial world that we'd all prefer to live in - sure, the PhD should make more.
But this isn't the way the world works yet. |
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idealjetsam
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Starting up and stopping.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: more... |
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| BadEgg wrote: |
For example, YBM's adult school in Jongno pays 1.8 and NO housing.
I wouldn't even consider an offer like that for a second. It's simply not worth it. But plenty people do. I know people who work there and they don't seem to be having too much trouble getting enough teachers. |
Yeah. I remember way back in 1998 when I did an interview there and they were still offering 1.3, with housing, but still 1.3. Keep in mind this was right after the Winter of Discontent when we all watched the Won go from 987 to 2000ish. By '98 it had stabilized around 1400-1500 but, I mean, can you imagine? Yet it seemed they had plenty of newbie applicants who were fooled into thinking that working for a big company like YBM or Pagoda was the best bet.
I don't know anyone of sound mind who would work for these companies. I know plenty of people who used to, and learned their lessons well within a year... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: |
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| BadEgg wrote: |
Whether or not the Korean with the Phd has perfect pronunciation or not is irrelevant. The fact is he has worked his ass off for years to become highly qualified in his field. Your pronunciation may be perfect (although if you're American - probably not, haha), but do you have any qualifications to teach whatsoever? Why anyone thinks a waygook with no teaching qualifications should earn the same as a professor with a Phd is completely beyond me.
As for jobs in general, yes, I do think they are becoming worse on average. Salaries are not keeping pace with inflation and in many cases the offers are simply getting worse as hagwon owners push the limits of what people will accept. |
"The fact is he has worked his ass off for years to become highly qualified in his field." Are you sure?
What are the teaching qualification of a Korean professor with a PhD? A PhD is a research degree, not an education (or teaching) degree. Who do the students want to teach them English? If a foreign professor does have teaching qualification and experience, are salary and benefits much better?
Integrity of University Professors
... To my knowledge, there has never been a single case in Korea where a Ph.D. candidate has failed to obtain his or her degree.... I think that the reason for this is a sentiment widespread in Korean society. In making an important decision for the award of a degree, we often ask ourselves, "How can you dare to fail a candidate?" This deep-rooted custom is derived from a combination of sentiment and manners and has tarnished university competitiveness as well as producing incompetent scholars and scientists....
By Chung Yeon-ho, Korea Herald (July 1, 2004)
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/07/01/200407010011.asp
Students Cite Professors for Negligence
... As the survey shows, student complaints about professors' negligence of their major duties, such as giving lectures, are high, but professor's non-academic activities outside the school are more vigorous than ever...
by Jae-Myoung and Lee Se-Jin Jung, Donga.com (November 29, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005112907518
Corrupt Professors Common, Students Say
... a Korea University professor who embezzled more than 300 million won last year was only fined 20 million won, and was not punished by the school...
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
A Country of Liars
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html
Poll: Money Key to Teaching Posts
by Bae Young-dae, JoongAng Daily (July 9, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207090054252629900090409041.html
A Professor Beat Students Who Didn't Speak English
Donga.com
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=040000&biid=2002091152368 |
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dbee
Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| It would be extremely interesting to do an actual survey of teachers in korea and find out exactly what sources of info they relied on before coming here ?? |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The people who noted that it all depends on supply and demand are quite correct. If you are one of the lucky few who can legally teach part time and company classes you can pretty much choose your pay. I don't work for less than 30,000 at the moment and I'm going to increase that this year to 35,000minimum. How do I find work? I sit at home and answer the phone. |
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