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China Ranks Korea as Ninth 'Most Powerful Nation'
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:


Also, they are a far ways off from the top ten, but a lot of notably militaristic countries are behind them. Also, they just signed a new deal in 2005 saying they were really going to up the military spending by something like 3 billion dollars. Maybe, someone can find info on that.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2067rank.html


It's about time. The Canadian military was due for more funding 10 years ago when I served.
No corners were cut during training. It cost 3 to 500 000$ to train me alone. (I could tell you what I did, but then I'd have to kill you.) Wink

But due to budget restrictions, not enough was spend on equipement. For example, Canada bought a fleet of Adats in the early 90s, at that time it was probably the most expensive and advanced short-range air defence system in the world (shorad for you hip to the linguo), but it couldn't afford to repair two that had been accidentally damaged (if I remember correctly, one was dropped while it was being unloaded in Somalia while the other skidded off the road).
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And don't forget those Sea Kings. Laughing


Re: the increased military spending. I wouldn't put too much stock into that. That was the same party that said they would abolish the GST. And that was the same party that received millions in illegal kickbacks. My guess is that was just to steal some Conservative thunder. As soon as the election is over those plans will be quietly shelved. Anyone want to bet otherwise? Of course should the Conservatives win, then that could actually be a reality.
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Wrench



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China will never be part of the G8 is because you have to be a democratic state inorder to be a member.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Why would anyone attack Canada anyways? Maybe for oil but besides that, hummm.


The natives share their women with visitors. Well, they used to. Razz In a little-known fact of history, Seward's folly was a direct result of the Secretary taking very regular vacations in the Alaskan hinterlands.

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Razz Razz
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

Canadian army may not spend a lot of equipment, especially aircraft it seems, but they spend a lot on personnel.

The pay is really good in the army. Pay and benefits are one of the best in the world.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The increased spending in the military had nothing to do with trying to steal the thunder from the Conservatives. It was actually put through in the first budget put through after they had just won power. Whether or not it happens, well... we'll see. Fact still remains that there is a lot of money spent on the military, and people often don't see that. It isn't a second rate military by any standards.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

Ilsanman wrote:
Canadian army may not spend a lot of equipment, especially aircraft it seems, but they spend a lot on personnel.

The pay is really good in the army. Pay and benefits are one of the best in the world.


Well, you'd think that if you've never served. In reality, people are being forced into retirement before they hit 40 because the government doesn't want to pay them a big pension. Benefits are good if you contribute into the plan, and it's ridiculously cheap, maybe 6$ a year for dental. But, you are the one responsible for filling out the paperwork (and they take their dear time to inform you of these things). And don't get me started about disability pension (seconds after being treated for an injury, I was asked to sign a form where I gave away the right to any compensation for the injury and any of its complications which might have shown up further down the line).
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned (or did I miss it?) that we might be suspicious of China's own ranking of itself. After all, China likes to downplay its power in order to assure others of its inclusion into the world economy.


Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I've said before (sorry Kuros, you may want to stop reading at this point because I'm going to repeat myself)


Are you trying to pick a fight? Look, I like some of the stuff you say but when you start blathering on about Canadians you are not only boring but you make us look bad.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China views itself as the next big hope (boss) of the 21st century, but they won't blow thier own trumpet (or take someone elses) until they are ready. Capitalists want to believe that they will be fine (because of the market), but the Chinese Government still has difficulty respecting the one Chinese leader who showed some promise towards being fair (Tianimin Square).

China will be a problem in the future unless they change their attitude, (Government not people), they will use nationalism to blunt the internal sword, but it just raises it up for use as a external force. Nationalism is a two edged sword, and it has taken historically a number of countries from small insignificant country to supra national despot (see past history), but that has never truly benefited others who were not their vassals.

I live today not yesterday, so it it the future that concerns me the most, not what has happened in the past, (except as examples of future possibilities). China is a future question and one that may benefit some to the exclusion of others, but fairness, justice and freedom of indiviudal choice is still very rare in thier country (to Gopher, (because I know you like to quote me as anti american) they worry me more than the potential of Global American hegemonic tyranny).

We know the pontential of certain countries today, China is still an enigma as much as it is a potential dark storm front on the horizon. Its just whether you can get out of the rain or change its direction that makes it a future point of discussion.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned (or did I miss it?) that we might be suspicious of China's own ranking of itself. After all, China likes to downplay its power in order to assure others of its inclusion into the world economy.


Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I've said before (sorry Kuros, you may want to stop reading at this point because I'm going to repeat myself)


Are you trying to pick a fight? Look, I like some of the stuff you say but when you start blathering on about Canadians you are not only boring but you make us look bad.


Yes, I thought maybe it should be read as a shopping list for the Chinese army. Countries listed under China will be crushed first before it makes its way up the list. Laughing
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrench wrote:
China will never be part of the G8 is because you have to be a democratic state inorder to be a member.

While that SOUNDS reasonable enough, is your claim actually true?

Hmmmmmm ... their military dictatorship form of government clearly hasn't stopped G-8 business interests from investing in China. Confused
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Sooke



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Why would anyone attack Canada anyways? Maybe for oil but besides that, hummm.


Obviously, you haven't been keeping up with this thread:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=49897&sid=7a8aa5bbff66cd9661cec166f842e03b
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: yes Reply with quote

I served for 3 years, and I never got jewed like that. I may have had to jump through hoops, file paperwork and wait a year, but they gave me everything they promised me.


Hollywoodaction wrote:
Ilsanman wrote:
Can


adian army may not spend a lot of equipment, especially aircraft it seems, but they spend a lot on personnel.

The pay is really good in the army. Pay and benefits are one of the best in the world.


Well, you'd think that if you've never served. In reality, people are being forced into retirement before they hit 40 because the government doesn't want to pay them a big pension. Benefits are good if you contribute into the plan, and it's ridiculously cheap, maybe 6$ a year for dental. But, you are the one responsible for filling out the paperwork (and they take their dear time to inform you of these things). And don't get me started about disability pension (seconds after being treated for an injury, I was asked to sign a form where I gave away the right to any compensation for the injury and any of its complications which might have shown up further down the line).
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