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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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Guys, I just type a quick message on here, press enter, and move on. I don't have time to correct my mistakes as I go. Nor do I really give a damn. This is not a thesis.
I reiterate what the other poster said about you guys needing to get out. Or perhaps, get laid. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| Karabeara wrote: |
Update:
I was paid about 60 percent of what I was owed. I was told that they had to take out tax (very small amount) and that they count a certain number of words per page. So they are claiming that a page of what I corrected did not actually equal a page. Of course, this was not told to me before. It was just some crack excuse they made up.
I got the phone number of the agency in charge of this, and went ballistic on the woman. She refused to give me the name of the Ph.D. guy, or his school. I have her English name, her company name, and told her I will be posting it all over everywhere I can think of if she does not pay up tomorrow. Her company just changed names, too. Gee, I wonder why they had to do that? |
Sorry, but it was not "just some crack excuse they made up."
This is the standard in the industry and how professional editors are paid by professional editing companies. |
That's all well and good, but don't you think the OP has every right to hold them to what they promised her before she did the work? |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| That's all well and good, but don't you think the OP has every right to hold them to what they promised her before she did the work? |
Though I think laconic is right that the excuse probably was not off the cuff, the OP certainly has every right to insist on what she was offered. Particularly after being goaded into doing the work the way she was.
Oh, and can we take up a collection to have Son Deureo change that revolting avatar? |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Karabeara wrote: |
Guys, I just type a quick message on here, press enter, and move on. I don't have time to correct my mistakes as I go. Nor do I really give a damn. This is not a thesis.
I reiterate what the other poster said about you guys needing to get out. Or perhaps, get laid. |
Maybe that is exactly what Pyeongshin(or however you spell the name) did? "Type, press enter, move on." He probably didn't spend anymore time editing your message as you did typing the original?
I don't blame you for not trusting. I've felt the same about their court system until the Judge recently ruled somewhat in my favor to receive 5.9 million Won for being illegally fired 1 1/2 years ago. Now the question remains... Will I ever be paid? |
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antoniothegreat
Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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i have had a few problems with Koreans paying, and all the problems have come when I could not talk to the person actually paying, but when there was a third party involved. it is so easy for them when they do not have to look you in the face and say "no."
always always meet them first. get their business card. then you can contact them, and if needs be, come in to their work place and emberrass them. no yelling is needed, but just a simple "is Mr. Kim here? oh, he owes me some money and is very late, could you tell him I stopped by?" wow, once word gets out, it is amazing the miracles that can occur. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| [. And yet all of the deadbeats, cheats, liars and weasels we've encountered over the years have been (with one exception) Korean. Funny that. . |
Since Koreans make up 99% of the population here I see nothing highly unusual. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| [. And yet all of the deadbeats, cheats, liars and weasels we've encountered over the years have been (with one exception) Korean. Funny that. . |
Since Koreans make up 99% of the population here I see nothing highly unusual. |
Yes, but when they don't regularly constitute even half of total billings and clients, I think it is noteworthy. |
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laconic2
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Wonderful World of ESL
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| That's all well and good, but don't you think the OP has every right to hold them to what they promised her before she did the work? |
Though I think laconic is right that the excuse probably was not off the cuff, the OP certainly has every right to insist on what she was offered. Particularly after being goaded into doing the work the way she was.
Oh, and can we take up a collection to have Son Deureo change that revolting avatar? |
I don't know what she was offered. I was not there.
I do know that professional editors and professional editing companies know the difference between a work page and a file page. Editors are paid on a work page basis.
Professional editing companies understand this, as do professional editors. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| buymybook wrote: |
| Karabeara wrote: |
Guys, I just type a quick message on here, press enter, and move on. I don't have time to correct my mistakes as I go. Nor do I really give a damn. This is not a thesis.
I reiterate what the other poster said about you guys needing to get out. Or perhaps, get laid. |
Maybe that is exactly what Pyeongshin(or however you spell the name) did? "Type, press enter, move on." He probably didn't spend anymore time editing your message as you did typing the original?
I don't blame you for not trusting. I've felt the same about their court system until the Judge recently ruled somewhat in my favor to receive 5.9 million Won for being illegally fired 1 1/2 years ago. Now the question remains... Will I ever be paid? |
The fun thing about this is that once she lets us know who the company/person is, and they find these posts, they are going to wonder if they should redo the work. It's kind of fun to think that they might worry! The money they screwed her out of could actually be her screwing them by getting paid for work they're gonna have to redo anyway! |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| laconic2 wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| That's all well and good, but don't you think the OP has every right to hold them to what they promised her before she did the work? |
Though I think laconic is right that the excuse probably was not off the cuff, the OP certainly has every right to insist on what she was offered. Particularly after being goaded into doing the work the way she was.
Oh, and can we take up a collection to have Son Deureo change that revolting avatar? |
I don't know what she was offered. I was not there.
I do know that professional editors and professional editing companies know the difference between a work page and a file page. Editors are paid on a work page basis.
Professional editing companies understand this, as do professional editors. |
Right, but let's say I want you to trim the trees in my garden for 1 million won. You really don't want to do this, you don't know me, you're not a gardener by trade. After a mutual friend of our pesters the devil out of you, you finally surrender and agree to do the work for 1 million won, payment to be made upon or soon after completion.
You do the work, but then I tell you -- no, the go-between tells you that the payment will take a bit longer... Then you're told there'll be no payment made at all, just because. Okay, okay, there will be some payment made. But it's not the 1 million won you expected, silly you. It's a significantly smaller sum calculated according to the tree-trimming industry standard of XXX won per tree limb cut.
So again, I don't doubt that they're telling the OP the truth -- that there's an established editing industry practise of calculating pages and page rates a particular way. I'm just saying that in this case, that's a BS excuse and this is classic bait-and-switch. They owe her whatever they agreed to at the outset. |
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laconic2
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Wonderful World of ESL
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| laconic2 wrote: |
| JongnoGuru wrote: |
| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| That's all well and good, but don't you think the OP has every right to hold them to what they promised her before she did the work? |
Though I think laconic is right that the excuse probably was not off the cuff, the OP certainly has every right to insist on what she was offered. Particularly after being goaded into doing the work the way she was.
Oh, and can we take up a collection to have Son Deureo change that revolting avatar? |
I don't know what she was offered. I was not there.
I do know that professional editors and professional editing companies know the difference between a work page and a file page. Editors are paid on a work page basis.
Professional editing companies understand this, as do professional editors. |
Right, but let's say I want you to trim the trees in my garden for 1 million won. You really don't want to do this, you don't know me, you're not a gardener by trade. After a mutual friend of our pesters the devil out of you, you finally surrender and agree to do the work for 1 million won, payment to be made upon or soon after completion.
You do the work, but then I tell you -- no, the go-between tells you that the payment will take a bit longer... Then you're told there'll be no payment made at all, just because. Okay, okay, there will be some payment made. But it's not the 1 million won you expected, silly you. It's a significantly smaller sum calculated according to the tree-trimming industry standard of XXX won per tree limb cut.
So again, I don't doubt that they're telling the OP the truth -- that there's an established editing industry practise of calculating pages and page rates a particular way. I'm just saying that in this case, that's a BS excuse and this is classic bait-and-switch. They owe her whatever they agreed to at the outset. |
Again, I don't know what they agreed to at the outset. Wasn't there.
I do know that it is a very common practice within professional editing for the editing company to provide the editor a written offer specifying, among other things, payment terms and the total number of work pages for which the editor will be paid for the proposed project.
Unfortunately, it appears this was not done in this case.
Rarely, if ever, are there the kind of problems described above when it is done. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Sorry |
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Again, I don't know what they agreed to at the outset. Wasn't there.
I do know that it is a very common practice within professional editing for the editing company to provide the editor a written offer specifying, among other things, payment terms and the total number of work pages for which the editor will be paid for the proposed project.
Unfortunately, it appears this was not done in this case.
Rarely, if ever, are there the kind of problems described above when it is done. |
Okay, none of us were there at the outset, listening in on the OP's phone conversations. But I don't see any reason to doubt that the OP was being honest with us regarding what she said she was promised. Do you?
The kind of problems described above (that is, in the OP) are nothing if not commmonplace in Korea. And I'm not talking just about editing English documents. |
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Fat Sam
Joined: 05 Dec 2005
Location: Gyeonggi-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:15 am Post subject: |
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So, Guru, I'd love to here a few stories concerning the deadbeats, cheats, liars and weasels that you've encountered in the business world over here.
It'd make a pleasant change from you having to listen to us whining about the practices in the ESL industry. |
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hack
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:57 am Post subject: |
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Conversation with the head of the business office of our private school in Vancouver
Me: Why don't we have more Korean students?
Her: Because we ask for a 70% deposit on all fees and housing from them before they can come here.
Me: So you're telling me that is a problem for Koreans? They seem to be pretty affluent. I'm surprised because we have so many Chinese and Japanese students -you mean they are wealthier?
Her: Well we only ask for a 20% deposit from students from most other countries before they come.
Me: What's the difference?
Her: I can't believe you asked me that question. I thought you lived and taught in Korea for a few years. Are you telling me that you never had any business dealings with Koreans?
Me: AAAHHHH!!
Her: Don't get me started about Korean business ethics. We don't even use agents in Korea anymore because they were so corrupt. We only deal directly with the parents now and still we always seem to have billing and payment problems with them. If we never have to deal with another Korean, that would be just fine with me.
Irony of the story? She's a 2nd generation Korean Canadian. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Irony of the story? She's a 2nd generation Korean Canadian. |
Ha! My wife feels the same way, and she's only been in Canada 3 years. Her business is client based, and every time I mention a 'brilliant idea' to drum up more business from the local Korean community I get a withering glare coupled with a 'you dumbass, why the hell would I want to do that?' look. |
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