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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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(1) Is it that difficult to stamp us with 1 month and ask us to stand in the quene after a month to get the extention? This doesn't breech the agreement, as the agreements are not exactly specific as to how immigration carries them out.
Not much manpower needed for this. As for the rest, the threat of the possibility that they might come after you is what is important to them.
(2)6 months ago, you would have said that they didn't have the manpower to check degrees either. They hired temps to do the work. |
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1. How do you know it doesn't "breech" ("breach?") the agreement? Have you seen it? Such agreements tend to be multi-page documents and generally are VERY specific in what and what isn't allowed. They tend to cover every imaginable possibility. And I would imagine that illegal teachers are low on Immigration's list of "things to do" as opposed to the illegal DDD workers (of whom there are far, far more).
2. You can't hire "temps" to stamp visas. Only an offical has the power to validate said visa. I doubt they would want the extra bother anyways.
Government workers are not exactly noted for their inititive. The only reason they began this crackdown was public pressure. They were under pressure to do something. Hence the visa confirmation degree paper and the prolonged crackdown. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
(1) Is it that difficult to stamp us with 1 month and ask us to stand in the quene after a month to get the extention? This doesn't breech the agreement, as the agreements are not exactly specific as to how immigration carries them out.
Not much manpower needed for this. As for the rest, the threat of the possibility that they might come after you is what is important to them.
(2)6 months ago, you would have said that they didn't have the manpower to check degrees either. They hired temps to do the work. |
2. You can't hire "temps" to stamp visas. Only an offical has the power to validate said visa. I doubt they would want the extra bother anyways.
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Oh, come on... you're in total denial here.
A few more people each day isn't going to make immigration overload in the quenes... not by a longshot. We wouldn't all come at once on the same day, anyway. It would depend on our entry date.
I would have expected you to be one to say that very few Canadians are here working on a 6 month tourist visa, anyway, right? Are you saying that a lot are? You seem to be implying this when you say that Korean immigration would be overloaded in checking them. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| BigBlackEquus wrote: |
(1) Is it that difficult to stamp us with 1 month and ask us to stand in the quene after a month to get the extention? This doesn't breech the agreement, as the agreements are not exactly specific as to how immigration carries them out.
Not much manpower needed for this. As for the rest, the threat of the possibility that they might come after you is what is important to them.
(2)6 months ago, you would have said that they didn't have the manpower to check degrees either. They hired temps to do the work. |
2. You can't hire "temps" to stamp visas. Only an offical has the power to validate said visa. I doubt they would want the extra bother anyways.
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(1) Oh, come on... you're in total denial here.
(2) A few more people each day isn't going to make immigration overload in the quenes... not by a longshot. We wouldn't all come at once on the same day, anyway. It would depend on our entry date.
(3) I would have expected you to be one to say that very few Canadians are here working on a 6 month tourist visa, anyway, right? Are you saying that a lot are? You seem to be implying this when you say that Korean immigration would be overloaded in checking them. |
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1. How am I in total denial? I am merely telling you how the law works. Do you actually bother to read about Korean immigration law(as it relates to the E-2 policy) or do you simply make guesses?
2. Basic math. There are 20,000 illegal teachers here or so. Not just Canadians but ALL foreign teachers have to renew every so often. (Let's say about half do the tourist visa thing) Now subtract weekends and holidays and vacation breaks for the immigration holidays and you are left with less than 200 days in the year. That's about 100 teachers per day. Not to mention all the other people trying to get visas or extensions or on other business.
A personal example: When I went to Suwon to turn in my confirmation paper, there were about 30-odd people in the room with me. Only about one other person looked like he was either an English teacher or tourist.
3. Every Canadian who comes here gets a six month tourist visa. Having Immigration to check them all would be a headache. As for people WORKING on a tourist visa, I am fairly sure that there are a lot of Canadians doing that, just as there are from other nationalities. And anyway checking would not eliminate people from going back and forth(every 3 or 6 months). People have done this for years and Immigration doesn't seem to mind. |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I have to ask....Why does almost every second post you make start with "numbers are mine"?
I suppose you feel that if you itemize anything you say it looks like something intelligent, but it's not. Mostly it kind of bothers me. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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In all fairness, if anyone is "getting a free ride" in Korea it's Americans. They can stay in Korea for 3 months without a visa despite the fact Koreans need a visa to enter the US. Obviously, Americans should be required to have a visa to travel to Korea. |
Incorrect.
I believe the Americans are making the argument that Canadians are on an unlimited 6 month visa, with no need to ask for an extention. Americans must go to immigration and get an extention after 1 month. That's all they get stamped in their passport, initially: 1 month. When they ask for that extention, they are asked some general questions: Where are you living? Why are you extending? Are you working here illegally?, etc.. Sure, they can lie and get it easily, but it's definately more red tape, and puts them on immigration radar as likely something more than a tourist.
We Canadians get a blanket 6 months with no questions. This may be changing soon, but one can only guess. I am ashamed that nearly all of the teachers caught with illegal degrees were from Canada. Also, because recent news articles have highlighted the 6 month Canadian tourist visa as fanning the flames of teaching illegality, we can only guess that Korean immigration may be attempting to force a change. I believe this would most likely come as some form of extention request, just like the Americans have to do. This would not necessarily breech the reciprocal agreement already in place with Canada, but it could easily provide immigration with a watchlist.
They are well aware of the fact that there is not much a 20-something Canadian with no income source could be doing in Korea for more than 1 month, just as they would be aware of an American in such a situation.
Be glad you are Canadian and don't have to go to immigration to extend your visa, then pay 500,000 won for a flight to Japan every 3 months. Then repeat the process again. Financially, it's just not the same having to renew every 3 months instead of every 6.
I personally expect immigration to begin requring Canadians to appear at the immigration office to get the extention past a certain number of months. Perhaps after 1 month. We will be asked some questions, our name and location recorded, and given an extention to the full 6 months quite easily. It would be even more interesting if we were required to report twice, after 2 and 4 months, and they actually attempted to contact us after month 4 using the contact information we provided at month 2. If we didn't provide solid information, they could deny us and not be in breech of the agreement with Canada. Why? Because both countries expect valid contact information. |
Incorrect? Need I remind you that Koreans need to get a visa to enter the US while Americans don't need one to enter Korea? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
(1) I have to ask....Why does almost every second post you make start with "numbers are mine"?
(2)I suppose you feel that if you itemize anything you say it looks like something intelligent, but it's not. Mostly it kind of bothers me. |
(numbers are mine) 
1. Back on the old forums I did not use that phrase "numbers are mine". But when I put numbers in some posters quotes they accused me of "twisting their words" even though the only thing I added to the quote was numbers. So I started stating "numbers are mine" to make it clear that I was not adding anything else to the quote.
2. Actually no. (Do you know what they say about making assumptions?.  )
I itemize in order to make specific replies to specific points. Otherwise I noticed it tends to confuse people. For example I might be replying to a third point the person made, but s/he might think I am still talking about the first point. So I enumerate my points and replies.
Besides that it's my trademark
Don't let it bother you. Like I told another poster, it's only a discussion board. I don't understand why some people apparently get so worked up over certain minor things. No one really takes what we say seriously, for me it's all in good fun (well 99% of the time anyways). I just like a good argument. |
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