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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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canuckistan is fuel for conservatives fire when they bash liberals.
Now I admit I don't know a lot of Canadians but they, generally, seem pretty liberal when it comes to social policy. I can't imagine any of that stuff happening in Canada; it would be political suicide for the Conservatives. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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I would say that we are looking at a minority Conservative government. If the Conservatives continue to do as well as they have been, we may even be looking at a majority Conservative government.
This is a good thing for democracy in Canada as far as I am concerned. For over a decade the Liberals have been untouchable, mainly because there were just way too many parties that were splitting the vote. The unification of the right in the last few years is the reason we're seeing this change now. The Liberals have grown too used to being in power. This will indicate to them that they are not invincible.
The Bloc Quebecois is still a problem and as far as I am concerned needs to disappear. I think there should be an amendment to the constitution (I know this is difficult) saying that no party can run candidates in a federal election unless they run candidates in every province and territory. This is another reason the Liberals have been in power too long. Brian Mulroney's support base was in Quebec and ever since the Bloc has been around that's been gone. There are indications in this election that Quebec voters are actually thinking of turning their backs on the Bloc and going with the Conservatives. Let's hope that's true.
It's an exciting election campaign and change is definitely in the air. It's interesting that the poll numbers in this thread are pretty close to what we're seeing in the real polls being circulated here in Canada. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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HALIFAX, Nova Scotia (Reuters) -- Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin warned Canadians on Thursday that his main rival, Conservative leader Stephen Harper, would turn the country into a bastion for a U.S.-style extreme right.
"I really do believe that Canadians don't want to buy the far conservative right in the United States," Martin said in a television appearance.
"They don't want to see (it) imported here and they do understand that a sharing, working together has been the way we've built this country."
The Liberals are trailing the Conservatives in opinion polls and Harper appears on track to deny the Liberals a fifth consecutive mandate in the January 23 election.
Harper dismissed Martin's criticism as not believable, especially after the Liberals released a series of negative ads that seek to portray him as a frightening extremist.
"I'm interested in what credible critics say about me. I think Mr. Martin's credibility is reflected in the false and misleading ads that he's running," Harper said in Halifax, where he visited a low-income family to promote his planned consumption tax cut.
The Liberals had to withdraw one ad that accused Harper of trying to install "soldiers with guns" in Canadian cities, although others are still running, including one that quotes Harper saying the U.S. conservative movement was an inspiration to Canada.
The Globe and Mail took Martin to task for having spoken in a debate on Monday against personal attacks and "drive-by smears" and then launching the ads.
"Mr. Martin, an honorable man, should know better than to stoop so low, especially when he is delivering homilies on civility," it said.
The Conservatives have responded with their own negative ads, one of which appears to question Martin's patriotism for registering ships offshore in his previous job as shipping magnate, before he became prime minister in 2003.
"He says he loves Canada, but he reflagged his ships to avoid paying Canadian taxes. With a record like this, how can we believe anything Paul Martin says," the ad says.
Martin and the company, Canada Steamship Lines, have pointed out that the majority of the ships, which carry bulk cargo on the Great Lakes, are flagged in Canada and crewed by Canadians.
The Liberals have been in power since 1993, and party members are conceding privately that defeat is now likely.
Martin's minority government was defeated in late November over a kickback scandal, triggering Canada's second general election in as many years.
Harper's team set out from the beginning of the eight-week campaign to outline policy platforms daily in an effort to counter past Liberal attacks that the Conservatives had a hidden agenda to dismantle Canada's social safety net.
The main platforms include a cut in the federal sales tax, guarantees on timely health care, cleaning up government and a crackdown on crime.
Martin has cut income taxes and promised improvements on health and other issues, but has largely campaigned on his record as someone who, as finance minister, tamed a yawning budget deficit in the mid-1990s.
The Conservative campaign suffered a rare embarrassment this week with the revelation that a candidate in British Columbia had been charged by Canadian Customs with smuggling a car and alcohol from the United States.
Harper said candidate Derek Zeisman, if elected, would not be allowed to sit in the Conservative caucus in Parliament until the matter was cleared up.
A Strategic Counsel poll from January 9-10, published in Thursday's Globe and Mail, put the Conservatives at 39 percent popular support, up one point from the day before, with the Liberals at 28 percent. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/12/canada.martin.reut/index.html |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher, it is true that our Prime Minister is tuning to America bashing and playing on Canadian's Bush-related phobias, but these are merely the actions of a desperate man who is about to be permanently destroyed politically. If he loses this election, his political career in any leadership capacity is almost certainly over.
He can't advertise his own record in office as Prime Minister because it isn't very good.
He can't play up mistakes by the Conservatives because they haven't made any.
He can't turn to the brilliant people who ran the last PM's very successful election campaigns because he alienated them, arrogantly thinking he wouldn't need them as the Liberals would never lose an election.
He can't turn to his own intelligence because it isn't there. He's not a stupid man, but for a national leader, he is lacking. He rode to power on the good name of his father and his family's money - unlike our last PM, who made it to the top entirely on intelligence, experience, and ambition.
So he relies on ridiculous fear mongering about the Americans and he continues to plunge in the polls. Most Canadians are smart enough to see through this. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| What I would give to sit down with Jean Cretien and hear what he thinks about the current situation.............. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Do you like Jean and what he did for Canada?
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I would say that we are looking at a minority Conservative government. If the Conservatives continue to do as well as they have been, we may even be looking at a majority Conservative government.
This is a good thing for democracy in Canada as far as I am concerned. For over a decade the Liberals have been untouchable, mainly because there were just way too many parties that were splitting the vote. The unification of the right in the last few years is the reason we're seeing this change now. The Liberals have grown too used to being in power. This will indicate to them that they are not invincible.
The Bloc Quebecois is still a problem and as far as I am concerned needs to disappear. I think there should be an amendment to the constitution (I know this is difficult) saying that no party can run candidates in a federal election unless they run candidates in every province and territory. This is another reason the Liberals have been in power too long. Brian Mulroney's support base was in Quebec and ever since the Bloc has been around that's been gone. There are indications in this election that Quebec voters are actually thinking of turning their backs on the Bloc and going with the Conservatives. Let's hope that's true. |
I agree! |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| What I would give to sit down with Jean Cretien and hear what he thinks about the current situation.............. |
You think he gives a shit? His 2 agenda items are, in order:
1. stay out of jail (so far so good)
2. engineer Paul Martin's destruction. Hell, Jean is probably canvassing Shawinigan for the Conservative Party this very moment.
Paul Martin and Jean Chrertien have been at each other's throats and tearing their party to pieces when they should have running the country. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul Martin and Jean Chrertien have been at each other's throats and tearing their party to pieces when they should have running the country. |
Sounds like they have much in common with Dems and Republicans in the U.S. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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God forbid we get a Conservative gov't in next. Any party who accepted to have a nutcase leader that said Jesus walked with the dinosaurs shouldn't even control a Tim Horton's, let alone a government. A Conservative win would sure make their confreres down south happy. (1)Make no mistake what Harper has told them at meetings where press was banned. (2)Sweetheart deals for our oil and water...you name it, it'll be up for sale to the US...and cheap. It'll embolden the extreme right-wing freaks, including the religious ones to start pushing to influence public policy. (3)All of a sudden it's not ok anymore to teach evolution in schools, women's right to choose, etc etc etc the whole disgusting Conservative Freak agenda. Similar to what has happened in the US. They want to use the notwithstanding clause to repeal prisoners' rights to vote in federal elections--for no other reason than that they are self-righteous *beep*sticks who are equally, if not more corrupt than Liberals. I'll take the Liberals.
Conservatives' values are UNCANADIAN and THEY SUCK. |
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1. How do you know this? If press was banned, how are you aware of this?
2. Harper has never said he would sell our oil and water to the U.S. As it stands we do provide them with a lot of our electricity and have for many years. Where is your outrage about that?
3. Harper has not talked about repealing women's right to choose, not has he talked about replacing evolution. That is the standard Liberal party line the Liberals use to brainwash the public.
You are making statements without providing any sort of proof. Would you please provide links to back up the claims you have made and I have numbered? Thanks. |
Obviously you are not that familiar with the Conservative mind set.
If they win, wait a year and then we'll talk again. |
As a long term supporter and donator to the Conversative party I am familar with their mind set. But I asked for some proof that this is indeed their agenda. If it were that would be political suicide. Most of Harper's party would NOT support him even if Harper was set on these policies which he is not. But yes let's wait a year. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper has not talked about repealing women's right to choose, not has he talked about replacing evolution. That is the standard Liberal party line the Liberals use to brainwash the public. |
As far as I know, school curriculums in Canada are determined by provincial, not federal governments. So I don't think there's much that Harper and Co. could do to promote creationism in the schools.
And unless I'm mistaken, Alberta, the hotbed of conservativism, includes evolution in its school curriculum, with no mention of creationism. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper has not talked about repealing women's right to choose, not has he talked about replacing evolution. That is the standard Liberal party line the Liberals use to brainwash the public. |
As far as I know, school curriculums in Canada are determined by provincial, not federal governments. So I don't think there's much that Harper and Co. could do to promote creationism in the schools.
And unless I'm mistaken, Alberta, the hotbed of conservativism, includes evolution in its school curriculum, with no mention of creationism. |
This backs up what I have been saying. Like I said charges that Harper will attempt to put creationism in the schools is nothing but Liberal hot air designed to brainwash the voters. Thank you sir. At least there is one person with a cool head in this rather emotionally charged issue. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| What I would give to sit down with Jean Cretien and hear what he thinks about the current situation.............. |
Ha ha. Jean is probably laughing. He hates Paul Martin with a passion. I think Martin's current downfall was probably engineered by Chretien and his people.
Someone within the Liberal party leaked that ad about the military that was not approved and was not supposed to air. That is probably one of the biggest gaffes of the campaign. How much do you want to bet it was one of Chretien's loyalists?
There is also someone within the party who has been leaking information about policy announcements to the media a day before they're actually announced. This has been a major pain in the butt for Martin and his people.
All the scandals. Chretien managed to keep them all quiet during his tenure. Then he leaves office and they start becoming public just when he wants to make Martin crash and burn.
Chretien is a master at political timing. Martin's downfall is exactly what he wants. And it looks like the little guy from Shawinigan is winning. |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you like Jean and what he did for Canada? |
What did Jean Chretien do for Canada? All he was ever interested in was continuing to hold on to power. That's it. Look at his record. There were no major accomplishments in a whole decade.
A lot of people did not like Brian Mulroney. However, take a look at his record. He at least tried to resolve the constitutional mess that was created by the Liberals. Getting Quebec to sign the 1982 Constitutional Agreement is still an outstanding issue...something the Liberals have been completely ignoring. Constitutional change in Canada is a tough thing to accomplish. It hurt the Conservatives immensely for trying to push the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords and failing. But at least they TRIED to make Quebec a part of Canada. The Liberals have not!
We would not have the North American Free Trade Agreement if it weren't for the Conservative government of the 1980s.
Many people hate the GST. I do too. The fact of the matter is that there needed to be another source of revenue. The Conservatives were brave enough to put it in place...despite the fact that it hurt them politically.
If Jean Chretien's accomplishment was that he governed the country carefully, without taking political risks...well then he did a very good job. Did he do anything for Canada? Absolutely not. Other than give us a completely useless majority government for a whole decade.
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Mac wrote: |
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| Do you like Jean and what he did for Canada? |
What did Jean Chretien do for Canada? All he was ever interested in was continuing to hold on to power. That's it. Look at his record. There were no major accomplisments in a whole decade.
A lot of people did not like Brian Mulroney. However, take a look at his record. He at least tried to resolve the constitutional mess that was created by the Liberals. Getting Quebec to sign the 1982 Constitutional Agreement is still an outstanding issue...something the Liberals have been completely ignoring. Constitutional change in Canada is a tough thing to accomplish. It hurt the Conservatives immensely for trying to push the Meech Lake and Charlottetown Accords and failing. But at least they TRIED to make Quebec a part of Canada. The Liberals have not!
We would not have the North American Free Trade Agreement if it weren't for the Conservative government of the 1980s.
Many people hate the GST. I do too. The fact of the matter is that there needed to be another source of revenue. The Conservatives were brave enough to put it in place...despite the fact that it hurt them politically.
If Jean Chretien's accomplishment was that he governed the country carefully, without taking political risks...well then he did a very good job. Did he do anything for Canada? Absolutely not. Other than give us a completely useless majority government for a whole decade. |
Not really. Chretien did a really good job.
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Canada has been well served by 12-plus years of Liberal rule. Despite what the opposition parties would have us believe, it has not been all scandal and nest-feathering.
Ask yourself a simple multiple of Ronald Reagan's famous electoral question: Are you better off today than you were 12 years ago? Unemployment then stood at 11.2 per cent. Today, it is 6.5 per cent. An average mortgage rate was 8.78 per cent. Now it is 5.99 per cent, making home ownership affordable for hundreds of thousands more Canadians. The national debt has fallen from 66.5 per cent of gross domestic product to 38.7 per cent. Taxes are down; our standard of living is up.
On a more qualitative level, while much of the world has struggled with intolerance, Canada has emerged as a beacon of diversity — home to newcomers from around the world and confident enough of managing differences to become one of the early adopters of same-sex marriage.
The Liberal years certainly have not been without their failings, from the gun registry to the sponsorship scandal to the fumbling of the income-trust issue. But there is no denying we are better off than when Jean Chrétien first came to power with Paul Martin at his side. |
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That's Chretien though. Martin is no Chretien and he deserves to lose. He doesn't even joke. Martin would never have come up with these wonderful quotes:
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* "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven."
o When discussing what type of proof Canadians wanted from the US before assisting in a war with Iraq. This is considered one of Chretien's most memorable quotes.
* "Trucks? It's good! Let them come across the border! We will take all we can get!"
o In response to a question about cross-border drug trade, in a news conference in front of Bill Clinton, having misheard a question about "drugs".
* "I don't know what is marijuana. Perhaps I will try it when it will no longer be criminal. I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand,"
o A quote made jokingly in an interview with the Winnipeg Free Press.
* "For me, pepper, I put it on my plate."
o about pepper spray against APEC protestors
* "To have a referendum to decide on the fate of the minority, it's a problem. It's why we have constitutions – to protect the rights of the minority. It's why we have the Charter of Rights. So if it is always the majority vote by referendum, who will defend the minorities?"
o about a possible referendum on same-sex marriage in Canada
* "I'm the Prime Minister of a country of 28 million, he's the President of a country with 1.2 billion. I can't tell the Premier of Quebec or Manitoba what to do, how can I tell him what to do? Sometimes you just don't have enough influence."
o When talking about President Jiang Zemin and China's human rights record during Jiang's state visit to Ottawa.
* "When I entered politics 40 years ago, I said watch out, it would be a hell of a ride. Well, today I can say, it has been a hell of a ride!"
o Speaking at the Liberal Leadership Convention in 2003 after deciding to retire.
* "I don't know. What happened? If you don't know, The cameras were there. Some people came in my way, it might have been... I had to go, so if you are in my way, I am walking. So I don't know what happened. Something happened to somebody who should not have been there."
o When asked for his explanation as to why he grabbed the demonstrator's neck.
* "We hate the GST and we will kill it"
o On May 2, 1994, after his election as Prime Minister
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Big Mac
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OK, I agree Jean Chretien gave us some pretty good quotes. He was funny. That's all I'll give him credit for. Did it make him a good prime minister? No.
My favourite is the golf ball thing. At the Gomery inquiry he defended some golf balls he gave to famous people like Bill Clinton with his name on them:
"I can't tell you how many people came up to me to tell me how much they loved hitting my balls," the former Prime Minister added. "My balls, they saved the country, no doubt about that. You'd have to go through surly border guards at the Mackenzie King bridge today if it weren't for my balls."
By the way...look at one of your quotes. In 1994 he said "we hate the GST and we will kill it." Did he? Why not? |
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