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Can you read Hangul?
Yes- No problem
78%
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Yes- but it takes me a while
18%
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No- I tried, but its too hard
3%
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned the alphabet, both counting systems (the basics), some basic phrases and a few nouns in the month before I moved to Korea. I used to work in a bank, and during the slow times when others were talking or reading magazines, I was using my awesome Lonely Planet Phrasebook to prepare for Korea. We had three Korean customers, also, and they were very happy to help me out (and laugh very loudly at my mistakes) when they came in.

However, I wasn't very comfortable with reading until about two or three months in. In the beginning, I was still very, very slow at reading, and I'm not much better now. I've always been slow at English reading, too, though. I think it's because I sound out everything in my head, which they say you shouldn't do.


Hater Depot wrote:
Mashimaro, I can't figure out your sig.. the secret of a happy life is in.. where? A rhinoceros?


me is cheater!
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for giving me the opportunity!

���� King ������ judge/criticise �� doing/about to do �Ǹ��� rights to do ���� (none)

What was the other one? mmm
(����) ������ �ϴ°� �ߵ����ʴ�.
Basically 'not tolerating the judgements about the king.'
This is a wrong verb. Can't use it, I found out.

When my wife reads my stuff, she knows it's a foreigner writing it. But, it's good enough in its accuracies or getting the point across to not deflect from the meaning. So that's given me some confidence. I wrote a letter to the immigration office recently and they understod exactly what I wanted, so those times are cool.
Makes up for all the times that people actually try to discourage me.

Problem I reckon in doing stuff with Korean will be in the addressee, so whether you need a subject there, another affect will be the type of verb used. (�ߵ��) I think may be formal or may not even be used. Because I pulled it out of the dictionary I don't even know if it will be used, in this case. So, you see the dillemna from not having studied quite enough. And not crossing the peak of the mountain?

In everyday we would say and hear �������� ���� or better (�װ�) �� ���� / can't stand (it) for not tolerating something or someone.

Hey man,

Have fun in your studies.


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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
Mashimaro, I can't figure out your sig.. the secret of a happy life is in.. where? A rhinoceros?


���� possession
������ non-possession

��(��) is a handy one to remember. it means no, not or nothing
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out of context



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found that it's kind of a mixture with reading. With relatively high-frequency words and grammatical endings, I can recognize those pretty much instantaneously, but with words I've never seen before (even some English transliterations), it takes me longer to sound out than I'd like to admit. I think it's normal to process reading material in word-sized chunks, rather than one sound at a time, in any language.

Continuing with the theme of relating Korean characters to some visual cue, I was sitting at a stoplight one day and noticed that "hoe" (ȸ) looks like a man wearing a hat making an obscene gesture with his arm. Maybe someone will find that helpful.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
Thanks for giving me the opportunity!

���� King ������ judge/criticise �� doing/about to do �Ǹ��� rights to do ���� (none)

What was the other one? mmm
(����) ������ �ϴ°� �ߵ����ʴ�.
Basically 'not tolerating the judgements about the king.'

But, I haven't used this phrase ever, so you would want to check with a native. I would take a guess there will be a slight variation in grammar, perhaps (����) ������ �ϴ°� �ߵ����ʴ´� or perhaps that word for 'judge' should be a subject marker like as a gerund is in English?

It would stand on its own. But, when my wife reads my stuff, she knows it's a foreigner writing it. But, it's good enough in its accuracies or getting the point across to not deflect from the meaning. So that's given me some confidence. I wrote a letter to the immigration office recently and they understod exactly what I wanted, so those times are cool.
Makes up for all the times that people actually try to discourage me.

Problem I reckon in doing stuff with Korean will be in the addressee, so whether you need a subject there, another affect will be the type of verb used. �ߵ�� I think may be formal or may not even be used. Because I pulled it out of the dictionary I don't even know if it will be used, in this case. So, you see the dillemna from not having studied quite enough. And not crossing the peak of the mountain?

In everyday we would say and hear �������� ���� or better (�װ�) �� ���� / can't stand (it) for not tolerating something or someone.

Hey man,

Have fun in your studies.


You're a bloody legend in my eyes, Sir.

If I may quickly confirm approximate pronunciation....

���� King (WANG ERL) ������ judge/criticise (BEE PAN ERL) �� doing/about to do (HAL) �Ǹ��� rights to do (GWEON LEE GA) ���� (none) (OB DA)?

Do you reckon I should stick a �� on the end there to be a bit more polite or something? What about if I say it to an elderly person?

Hey, interesting how you said "hal" is "doing/about to do" because someone told me "hal" = "can"...as in �����Ҽ��־��?

Anyway....

����) ������ �ϴ°� �ߵ����ʴ� (WANG ERL BEE PAN ERL HA NERN GEOL GYEON DEE CHEE AN DA)?

Man, I can't wait to go into shops, hoffs etc and say this! I may even stand up and make an announcement when on the subway. Laughing They've a good sense of humor the Koreans in my experience and this sort of thing will go down well I feel.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As far as mainstream languages i would say Cantonese and Mandarin, due to the 11 intonations in Cantonese and the ridiculously tedious writing system.


Cantonese does not have 11 tones. Some say there are 9 tones, but most say it gets narrowed down to 6 main tones. Mandarin has 4 tones and a neutral tone.

If you study Chinese writing, it really isn't as difficult as most people believe. Once you start learning how it is made and what makes up a character, it is pretty easy to remember.

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The Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California rates korean with chinese, japanese and arabic as being the most difficult for native english speakers to learn.


I also read another website that says the language institute was going to make Korean a group 5 language, suggesting it takes even more time to learn than the other group 4 languages.

Things that seem to point to Korean being such a difficult language is A) the pronunciation, and B) the complicated grammar.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm, I thought this was for an avatar...or signature.

I really don't think people will understand what you mean. You know Korea has set method of dialogue for any situation. I don't think anyone will see any sense in this statement as it's out of context and not relevant. You'd be better off (if you want to be the center of attention) standing up and announcing that you love Korea, thank you everyone for letting you live here. That may go down well.
Not something I'd do, however.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Umm, I thought this was for an avatar...or signature.


Er, no.

I wanna say it to folks.

Quote:
You'd be better off (if you want to be the center of attention) standing up and announcing that you love Korea, thank you everyone for letting you live here. That may go down well.


Too boring.

Me and my friend like learning stupid, random bo11ocks in Korean. It's fun.
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peony



Joined: 30 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this will be a bit more complicated but you can say

���� ���̴� - i am (a/the) king

�� �볳�����ʰڴ� - criticism will not be tolerated
(bee-nan yong nop ha ji an ket da)


this might be fragmented, you should ask a korean co-teacher if its correct




edit: changed the �� -> �� Cool


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little mixed girl



Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
I'm a very long ways from fluent, but this site is great:

http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/

haha my korean teacher made that site with her hubby.

yes, i can read korean.
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bignate



Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peony wrote:
this will be a bit more complicated but you can say

���� ���̴� - i am (a/the) king

�� �볳���ھʰڴ� - criticism will not be tolerated
(bee-nan yong nop ha ji an ket da)


this might be fragmented, you should ask a korean co-teacher if its correct

G is the insomnia getting to you???? lol

�� �볳���ھʰڴ� is it ja or ji?...personally I don't know...... Razz

���� nom/nop ha......

just for clarification dear......

Please don't crush me....
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peony



Joined: 30 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meh~ i didnt see my typo

its �� of course Wink


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���� nom/nop hap



what's that?




Quote:
G is the insomnia getting to you???? l



omg, i just took another 1 hour nap, i think i screwed myself again!!
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Wangja



Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who will admit to admitting it was too difficult for him/her?
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a reasonable level but then I just got sick of it. The koreans themselves don't help. I don't like having people laugh at me when I make a mistake and talk about me with each other, when I am there. At some point it just becomes depressing. I learned that I will never reach the mountain...the more I learned, then the more I forgot. It was almost impossible to go to the last stage in the learning.

I gave up!
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bignate



Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peony wrote:


Quote:

���� nom/nop hap



what's that?


Ieeeesheeesh - is that wrong.......

is it nap ha or nam ha.....my K teacher isn't in the picture these days...... Crying or Very sad



g wrote:
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G is the insomnia getting to you???? l



omg, i just took another 1 hour nap, i think i screwed myself again!!


Nighty, night, rabbit!!!!!!! lol
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