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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just meant that it would resolve the sneak attacks in the middle of secular threads
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think "secularism" is a suitable topic for debate, and it cannot legitiately be used as a shield from all religious comments within threads (of course, if you're an illegitimate bastard that's another thing...)

As far as an "ignore user" feature, I guess everyone has the right to choose to ignore what they want to. Predictably, most younger people, feeling invincible, will choose to ignore anything perceived as putting a damper on their fun; and these same people will turn to God and some form of religion when they inevitably grow old, get terminally diseased and sense the impending dashing of all their material hopes and dreams ...
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keithinkorea



Joined: 17 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is too much religion on here. All this nonsense from the strange religious types is very weird.

I had a weird Korean girl knock on my door the other day. I thought she was a friendly neighbour knocking to talk to the new weygookin but she turned out to be a weirdo Christian. She asked me to fill out a form all about my beliiefs and I basically ticked all the 'wrong' boxes and asked her to bugger off.

Christians in Korea are as big a pest as those bloody blue van vegetable-fruit selling ajoshi. They're a huge inconvenience. At least Buddhist types don't go around pestering people and wasting their time and they add a bit of colour with their strange plaintive maoning bell ringing activities..

As far as I'm concerned as an agnostic-atheist these people all should go to hell if it exists. I think it's cool that some Christian types do all manner of good deeds for the community and help out homeless types and victims of natural disasters and such. It is purely the pestly vermin that go around trying to get you into their hobby that are a pain.

Trainspotters don't try and convert anyone. Stamp collectors don't try and convert anyone. What makes Christians think they're so bloody special.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

keithinkorea wrote:
There is too much religion on here. All this nonsense from the strange religious types is very weird.

I had a weird Korean girl knock on my door the other day. I thought she was a friendly neighbour knocking to talk to the new weygookin but she turned out to be a weirdo Christian. She asked me to fill out a form all about my beliiefs and I basically ticked all the 'wrong' boxes and asked her to bugger off.

Christians in Korea are as big a pest as those bloody blue van vegetable-fruit selling ajoshi. They're a huge inconvenience. At least Buddhist types don't go around pestering people and wasting their time and they add a bit of colour with their strange plaintive maoning bell ringing activities..

As far as I'm concerned as an agnostic-atheist these people all should go to hell if it exists. I think it's cool that some Christian types do all manner of good deeds for the community and help out homeless types and victims of natural disasters and such. It is purely the pestly vermin that go around trying to get you into their hobby that are a pain.

Trainspotters don't try and convert anyone. Stamp collectors don't try and convert anyone. What makes Christians think they're so bloody special.


You think they are bad here. You should see the Mormons in Japan. Atleast here they tend to bugger off when they realize they aren't getting anywhere. The Mormons just take it as a personal challenge from God when you show no interest (this from the mouths of some of them, not me). I even had someone try to tell me about some guy in Hawaii with a hand of healing, but while fruity, he still went away when I asked Smile
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
There is an inherent contradiction in Buddhism: Although Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu (or God) he propagated a voidist, atheistic philosophy (mainly to stop scripturally-based animal slaughter - and to trick atheists into worshiping God...)

I am much more a follower of "Krishna" (although I am "buddha" in the sense that the Sanskrit root of the word means "one who is intelligently aware ...")

That's incorrect. You've likely got your info about Buddha from Hindu based sourses. Buddha was a man, and never claimed to be anything else. He never tried to trick anyone into anything. It's the same thing with Christ, don't judge the man by the religion people built up around him after his death. If you want to get to the heart of Buddha's message, read more on the non religious Buddhist practice of Zen...
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kermo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some very enthusiastic preachers on this board of various stripes, including Hare Krishna and atheism, and they do a good job of keeping the Christian "debates" alive.

I don't like condemning or hostile religious posts, but neither do I enjoy the deeply racist or sexist threads I see here on a regular basis. Today is no exception.

For every "Jesus is the answer!" you hear, there will be a dozen "Canadians are so lame" or "Korean girls are not hot enough for me, and foreign girls here are cows." As it is, was, and ever shall be.

By the way, OP, try paying closer attention to who starts these threads. You might be surprised by the number of non-Christians who set up an arena in which to tangle by posting jeering premises, like "Let's Face It, Jesus is Boring," or just to explore theological ideas without a particular agenda to promote. A lot of the Christian content around here is defensive, rather than offensive.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the way, OP, try paying closer attention to who starts these threads. You might be surprised by the number of non-Christians who set up an arena in which to tangle by posting jeering premises, like "Let's Face It, Jesus is Boring," or just to explore theological ideas without a particular agenda to promote. A lot of the Christian content around here is defensive, rather than offensive.


You might be right about non-christians starting religious threads. I can't be bothered to check that out. Anyway, if they do, it's a reaction to the extent of religious being started recently.

Up until about 6 months ago we had very little religious threads on this forum. I think that reflected the secular nature of this board. We have always had a few believers on this forum but they used decorum and kept the religious input to a minimum.

My point in this thread is that I suspect we are now subject to evangelicalism. Many christian groups are instructed by their church leaders to recruit and convert unbelievers. It's not about discussion. Which this forum is supposed to be about.

Compare it to an ESL recruiter who has realised this forum is a fantastic way to get exposure to a captive audience of foreigners. To further their business. Not to make a productive contribution to the forum but to use it in a self-serving way.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is the Buddha?

There are many people, even among those claiming to be Buddhists, who think that the Buddha was an ordinary man who attained a rare level of self awareness. As a popular treatise on Buddhism explains, "The Buddha is not a God or a deity who one should pray to for some fulfilment in life. The Buddha is not an incarnation of God [nor] a prophet nor a messenger of God........He is a human being but a very special human being, one who has gained what we call 'Enlightenment'."

But in the Buddhist scriptures we find the Buddha him self declares otherwise. In the Donasutta he says, "I am not a deva (demigod), a gandharva (an angel), a yaksha (fierce guardian spirit), nor a human being." Yet, while declaring himself to be not a human being, does the Buddha deny that he is God, the Father of all beings? In the Mahavagga the Buddha says, "The Buddha looks with kind heart equally upon all beings, and they therefore call him 'Father'. To disrespect a father is wrong; to despise him is wicked." And in the Saddharma Pundarika, he clearly announces:

yam eva ham lokapita svayambhu
cikitsakah sarvaprajnan natah

"I am the Self born, the Father of the World, the Lord of All Beings and the Remover of Ills."

Moreover, the Buddha is addressed throughout the scriptures with titles asserting his divinity, such as Bhagavata (Supreme Person), Lokavid (Knower of All Worlds), Anuttara (the Unsurpassable) and Shasta Deva Manushyanam (Lord of Men and Demigods).

In Bhagavad Gita, the ancient Sanskrit text of the transcendental teachings of Sri Krishna to His disciple Arjuna, we find
very similar titles of address. Krishna is called Bhagavan (Supreme Lord), Lokapita (Father of the Worlds), Svayamatma (Self Existing), Aja (Unborn), Sarva Loka Mahes hvaram(Lord of all Planets and Demigods), and Buddhir Buddhimatam (the Enlightenment of the Enlightened Ones).

In Bhagavad Gita, Krishna reveals to Arjuna that He is the original Vishnu, Who is worshipped as the Supreme Person by the followers of the Vedas. And in a Buddhist text, Lankavatara sutra, the Buddha is identified with the self same Vishnu.
http://www.salagram.net/buddhavatara.html
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Satori



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:

But in the Buddhist scriptures we find the Buddha him self declares otherwise. In the Donasutta he says, "I am not a deva (demigod), a gandharva (an angel), a yaksha (fierce guardian spirit), nor a human being." Yet, while declaring himself to be not a human being, does the Buddha deny that he is God, the Father of all beings?

Saying he is not a human being is NOT the same as saying he was a god. He does not have to DENY he is a god. He never said he WAS a god, end of story. The Buddha spoke very figuratively, as one is almost forced to do when discussion very esoteric subjects. Saying "I am not a human being" is likely to mean "I have a more highly developed consciousness than most of you", that is all.
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In the Mahavagga the Buddha says, "The Buddha looks with kind heart equally upon all beings, and they therefore call him 'Father'. To disrespect a father is wrong; to despise him is wicked."

Moreover, the Buddha is addressed throughout the scriptures with titles asserting his divinity, such as Bhagavata (Supreme Person), Lokavid (Knower of All Worlds), Anuttara (the Unsurpassable) and Shasta Deva Manushyanam (Lord of Men and Demigods).

What OTHER people call him has no bearing on wheather or not he was a god. He never claimed to a be a god in the christian religious sense of the word.
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And in the Saddharma Pundarika, he clearly announces:

yam eva ham lokapita svayambhu
cikitsakah sarvaprajnan natah

"I am the Self born, the Father of the World, the Lord of All Beings and the Remover of Ills."

What he means here is that we ALL are the god of OURSELVES. We all control our own universe through our perception. That is, thru meditation on the breath we can free ourselves from the desires that cause suffering.
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Satori



Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
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By the way, OP, try paying closer attention to who starts these threads. You might be surprised by the number of non-Christians who set up an arena in which to tangle by posting jeering premises, like "Let's Face It, Jesus is Boring," or just to explore theological ideas without a particular agenda to promote. A lot of the Christian content around here is defensive, rather than offensive.


You might be right about non-christians starting religious threads. I can't be bothered to check that out. Anyway, if they do, it's a reaction to the extent of religious being started recently.

Up until about 6 months ago we had very little religious threads on this forum. I think that reflected the secular nature of this board. We have always had a few believers on this forum but they used decorum and kept the religious input to a minimum.

My point in this thread is that I suspect we are now subject to evangelicalism. Many christian groups are instructed by their church leaders to recruit and convert unbelievers. It's not about discussion. Which this forum is supposed to be about.

Compare it to an ESL recruiter who has realised this forum is a fantastic way to get exposure to a captive audience of foreigners. To further their business. Not to make a productive contribution to the forum but to use it in a self-serving way.

Well spoken, my thoughts exactly!
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:


My point in this thread is that I suspect we are now subject to evangelicalism. Many christian groups are instructed by their church leaders to recruit and convert unbelievers. It's not about discussion. Which this forum is supposed to be about.

Compare it to an ESL recruiter who has realised this forum is a fantastic way to get exposure to a captive audience of foreigners. To further their business. Not to make a productive contribution to the forum but to use it in a self-serving way.



So start your own board, ban the Christians and anyone else you don't like and stop your whining. Thankfully, you are a virtual nobody and not a president or something.
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shortskirt_longjacket



Joined: 06 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
Thankfully, you are a virtual nobody and not a president or something.


Now *there* is a thought expressed with the Christian ideals of love and understanding. Whatever happened to "turn the other cheek?"

Dr. King would be proud.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So start your own board, ban the Christians and anyone else you don't like and stop your whining. Thankfully, you are a virtual nobody and not a president or something.


I take from this you see no problem with the evangelical turn this board has taken.
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bignate



Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Location: Hell's Ditch

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
eamo wrote:


My point in this thread is that I suspect we are now subject to evangelicalism. Many christian groups are instructed by their church leaders to recruit and convert unbelievers. It's not about discussion. Which this forum is supposed to be about.

Compare it to an ESL recruiter who has realised this forum is a fantastic way to get exposure to a captive audience of foreigners. To further their business. Not to make a productive contribution to the forum but to use it in a self-serving way.



So start your own board, ban the Christians and anyone else you don't like and stop your whining. Thankfully, you are a virtual nobody and not a president or something.


So I see, you find it comfortable to post here........I used to respect you opinions on a certain board, that is until now.....try that in another place or time, perhaps one where the reigns aren't so tight.....then see how that is taken.....,
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Demophobe



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look nate...I don't really care what you thought or think of me....you don't even know me, so think what you like about a character who is contrived/compiled in your head.

I wouldn't post things like this over there and the reasons are obvious. Not because I fear being called names....goodness knows I have few friends over there anyways and I don't lose any sleep. Whatever. That place isn't here...I post in both but usually in a similar vein.

As for liking the way the board is "turning"? Sure...I'm a Christian and so I like hearing about other's points of view. I also wouldn't care if *off-topic* were filled with posts about any other religion...I simply wouldn't click them if I didn't want to. This is my power and my right.

A "virtual nobody"...yes, as we all are. You are not famous, I am not famous....I bet nobody here is famous, and that was my meaning. If eamo were a president, all the Christians would have to leave again on a boat for a new land, build all the laws of that land on the book of the Old Testament, etc, etc.... Heh.

eamo, I didn't mean that the way it sounded....sorry about that. As for your paranoia about some fiendish plot by Christians....well, think what you will, but it does sound a bit silly coming from a grown man. "They are coming to get us!!!! AHHHH!!!!" Right.
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