|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Who thinks we should add a forum to this board for Philosophy/Religion/Spirituality |
| Yes; open up a new forum |
|
50% |
[ 11 ] |
| No; let it mix in with off-topic |
|
50% |
[ 11 ] |
|
| Total Votes : 22 |
|
| Author |
Message |
rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
|
 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
 |
|
| the_beaver wrote: |
Three if you count Joo.
|
Joo? How many converts has he won from the Jeff Rense/Saddam fan club? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
|
|
| rapier wrote: |
| the_beaver wrote: |
Three if you count Joo.
|
Joo? How many converts has he won from the Jeff Rense/Saddam fan club? |
None. But he tries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
[quote="laogaiguk"]
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Sneak attacks? haha. Secular humanism is just as much as a religion as anything else. Just because we don't agree with thoughts and ideas, you are trying to impose what should or should not be thought. Wow...such open mindnesses. |
The difference between secular humanism and Christianity is that secular humanism would allow Christians freedom to do what they want in their own free time behind their own doors, while the other has been quite adept at taking this freedom away. |
[quote]
With all due respect, I find this a contradiction. You say that secular humanism will allow Christians behind closed doors. That is not freedom. In effect you are saying that secular humanism can have a public forum, but not Christianity. Locking something or someone away is far from Freedom.
An aspect of freedom is the right to choose for oneself. Eg: I choose not to read a particular thread because it is not in my topic of interests.
----
Unfortunately it is true that the history of Christianity is littered with some ugly incidents which has resulted in persecution, but any real Christian will say that true Christianity is never forced.
While many would like to ban Christianity (in general) it will never cease, but humanism will not work either. Humanism is not much more than a western 'athiestic religion'. There will always be people standing up for their beliefs regardless of the consequences. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
[quote="Xian"]
| Quote: |
[quote="laogaiguk"]
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Sneak attacks? haha. Secular humanism is just as much as a religion as anything else. Just because we don't agree with thoughts and ideas, you are trying to impose what should or should not be thought. Wow...such open mindnesses. |
The difference between secular humanism and Christianity is that secular humanism would allow Christians freedom to do what they want in their own free time behind their own doors, while the other has been quite adept at taking this freedom away. |
| Quote: |
With all due respect, I find this a contradiction. You say that secular humanism will allow Christians behind closed doors. That is not freedom. In effect you are saying that secular humanism can have a public forum, but not Christianity. Locking something or someone away is for from Freedom.
An aspect of freedom is the right to choose for oneself. Eg: I choose not to read a particular thread because it is not in my topic of interests.
----
Unfortunately it is true that the history of Christianity is littered with some ugly incidents which has resulted in persecution, but any real Christian will say that true Christianity and is never forced.
While many would like to ban Christianity (in general) it will never cease, but humanism will not work either. Humanism is not much more than a western 'athiestic religion'. There will always be people standing up for their beliefs regardless of the consequences. |
Sorry, I worded that wrong by leaving out the public part (I had assumed people would assume it). It is just Christianity has not only said what we do in public, but also in private. Secular humanism would allow everyone to do what they want in public and private.
I also agree Atheism is a belief (hence I am agnostic, I don't know if you or the Athiests are right, but I sure don't want either forced on me).
Finally, as much as people can't imagine it now, Christianity will cease sometime though not anytime soon. Just as hundreds of others just as influential for the time period have. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
This is what I mean by "sneak attack" or "hijacking."
Here are the first three posts from an actual thread.
You can check out the link.
<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>
Thread Title: experiences with temple stays..
Post #1:
My first Dave's cafe post!..
was wondering if any of you have tried temple stays..
I'm interested in spending a couple of days in a temple...just to experience something different..
any temples anyone can recommend? how about ones in Gyongju?..english translation offered?..
I found quite a few on the internet...one offered free 1 or 2 day stays to english speaking foreigners...they said they'll have professional photographers on site to take pictures for promotional purposes but I don't know how I feel about shooting a commercial when I'm there to relax!..
so let me know if you have one to recommend!
thx
Post #2
If you're a Christian you should stay away. They compel you to get up at 3am and to bow and scrape to their false images, which is forbidden in the Bible. Be true to your conscience if you're a Christian and don't go. There are many other wats to relax besides worshipping false gods.
Post #3
a typical useful Dave's ESL reply to your first post I see!
I went to Songgwansa near Suncheon and did kind of a Temple Stay. Basically we just showed up, asked the monks if we could sleep (by miming sleep) and they showed us to our rooms- one for me, one for my female friend.
Evening meal was provided (pretty good veggie canteen stuff, but only take what you can eat- down to the last grain), then went to bed with another 3 guys in my room- one of whom snored and had his minging feet right next to my face.
Woke up at 3am (the time when a man's mind is clearest), prayed and bowed with the monks and a few visitors, then nothing to do until 6am when breakfast was served. The monks went and did their thing, most of the other visitors went back to bed, me and my mate tried every drink in the vending machines.
After breakfast we chatted to one monk who spoke a bit of english, he invited us to his quarters but we couldn't find them- had a look around the mountain, watched a monk practise his drumming, then got a bus back to town.
No charge, no cameras, but no english.
There's a bit more about it here- no need to mention the photo of me in a vest OK?
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=49177&highlight=templestay
<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>
If I click on a thread entitled "Buddhists Suck!" then I have an idea of what I'm in for.
If I ask for directions to Hwa-gye-sa Temple, I shouldn't get blindsided with a "Buddhists are evil Satan-worshippers!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:03 am Post subject: |
|
|
Troll bait...
That is simply expressing an opinion, don't make it more extreme than it was.
Its fairly useful advice actually. Even if not a christian why would you want to bow to bhuddha?
To get free accomodation? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
|
|
| rapier wrote: |
Troll bait...
That is simply expressing an opinion, don't make it more extreme than it was.
Its fairly useful advice actually. Even if not a christian why would you want to bow to bhuddha?
To get free accomodation? |
As for the usefulness, that is debatable, but you are right. It is just advice which (I think scary in my opinion) was almost definitely given in good faith.
Second, I bet there are a lot of poor people in Africa who pray to Jesus to get help from the missionaries there. I know that not all missionaries are like that and some go without any prostelyzing at all, but there are some who have actually withheld food if there was no bible thumping. I am agnostic and I still bow my head and be quiet when at a Christian family's house just before dinner. It's called "respect". |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
| fiveeagles wrote: |
| Secular humanism is just as much as a religion as anything else. |
No it's not. And that is why you in particular are so annoying. You don't even know the topic on which you obsessively speak. A religion requires a "God", this is basic basic stuff. I think it's your ignorance as well as your obsessive missionary zeal and archaic fundamentalism that repulses people so much. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| Finally, as much as people can't imagine it now, Christianity will cease sometime though not anytime soon. Just as hundreds of others just as influential for the time period have. |
Voltaire was an atheist, French author, humanist, rationalist (1694 - He stated that in 100 hundred years the Bible will be wiped from the face of the earth. After those 100 years the house he was living in at the time was the storage place for the Geneva Bible Society.
Ironic!?
People have tried to destroy the religion for thousands of years. The world will stop before Christianity is wiped out. I am sure plenty of non-religous people would acknowledge that while we are in this period of time other religions will remain also.
But hey, we can simply agree to disagree on that one 
Anyway, we have gone off topic here. Sorry OP. Regarding the poll, I don't care. My first reason for being on this site is the esl info and the really interesting and often humourous topics that are posted. Great site. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Xian wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Finally, as much as people can't imagine it now, Christianity will cease sometime though not anytime soon. Just as hundreds of others just as influential for the time period have. |
Voltaire was an atheist, French author, humanist, rationalist (1694 - He stated that in 100 hundred years the Bible will be wiped from the face of the earth. After those 100 years the house he was living in at the time was the storage place for the Geneva Bible Society.
Ironic!?
People have tried to destroy the religion for thousands of years. The world will stop before Christianity is wiped out. I am sure plenty of non-religous people would acknowledge that while we are in this period of time other religions will remain also.
But hey, we can simply agree to disagree on that one
|
How arrogant (I don't mean that to be strong, but really)  . What you said is not confined to religious people, but all humans. How many countries, empires and religions are nothing but pages in history books now? I bet at the height of all of those empires and religions they thought they would last forever. So one guy (Voltaire) was wrong? Who would have thought (if there had been someone to think) that the dinosaurs would be the losers to a bunch of humans. If at that time we had a conversation about how man would become the king of the jungle, most people would have looked at a TRex and laughed at you. Like the dinosaur, Christianity will pass, just like everything else for countless billions of years. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: |
|
|
The kind of meaningful discussion that has developed on this thread ("Xian" is a welcome addition) would be largely absent on this forum, I think, if the proposed new forum were created. The "Off-Topic Forum" would be filled almost exclusively with frivolous threads, including classics like "Which Spice girl would you eat...?" Humor and frivolity are good, but a diet comprised exclusively of junk food and sweets isn't very healthy. A few provocative religious posts can supply some essential nutrients and, occasionally, even a little bitter medicine that may cure what ails ya. (OK, my metaphors are a little strained here - don't throw "one man's food is another's poison" back at me...  ) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Rteacher wrote: |
| The kind of meaningful discussion that has developed on this thread ("Xian" is a welcome addition) would be largely absent on this forum, I think, if the proposed new forum were created. The "Off-Topic Forum" would be filled almost exclusively with frivolous threads, including classics like "Which Spice girl would you eat...?" Humor and frivolity are good, but a diet comprised exclusively of junk food and sweets isn't very healthy. A few provocative religious posts can supply some essential nutrients and, occasionally, even a little bitter medicine that may cure what ails ya. (OK, my metaphors are a little strained here - don't throw "one man's food is another's poison" back at me... ) |
Darn... I agree with RTeacher. Even if you think they are all loonies, you should want them to be shown as loonies. Also, if you believe in free speech, that means free speech to everyone (which isn't incredibly hateful ofcourse). Hiding something in the back corner isn't good for either of the 2 major views here (religious and non). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
Thank you for your welcome Rteacher 
laogaiguk,
No offense intended there mate. Though I realise it sounded arrogant, but that wasn't the intention. I was not simply talking about Christianity there. I was talking about various religions. Can you really see Fundamentalist Islam ceasing? I really believe that these religions will continue.
Possibly were we differ is our worldview about the future. We are possibly judging each others responses based upon our own differing worldviews. I don't know what you think of the future, but many think of the future of earth as continuing on forever. (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE readers don't let this topic become an ugly side topic. I have no interest in it and it is pointless at this time). BUT, if someone were to believe that the world may not remain forever, weather it be for religous reasons, war reasons, sickness reasons or environmental reasons, they could have every reason to believe that religions as we know them will remain. Give or take a few. That was my perspective in making that comment.
As for kingdoms and creatures, people and teams, I agree Nations and people rise and fall (I am no political expert, but there seems to be a shift in power happening slowly in the world at the moment). |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Xian
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
|
| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Rteacher wrote: |
| The kind of meaningful discussion that has developed on this thread ("Xian" is a welcome addition) would be largely absent on this forum, I think, if the proposed new forum were created. The "Off-Topic Forum" would be filled almost exclusively with frivolous threads, including classics like "Which Spice girl would you eat...?" |
hahahah,
I am a bit new to have come across that in depth thread discussion.
So, which Spice Girl was 'most edible'? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
